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Auntwayne 
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Posted: 07 Jun 2011 at 10:06pm |
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D-17 Roosa Master has never been touched , obviously it is time for a rebuild, I know that the injectors have never been touched also, so , we are thinking about having the local AGCO dealer do the work. What else do we need to have looked at, and roughly how much to have repaired ???
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injpumpEd
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Posted: 08 Jun 2011 at 6:28am |
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most implement dealers send fuel system work out to a fuel pump shop like I work at. I do pumps for several Agco dealers.
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Posted: 08 Jun 2011 at 6:29am |
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Contact Andrew Gubbels , hes on this site alot ; great work and very reasonable priced ; a true AC fella
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Posted: 08 Jun 2011 at 6:48am |
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i do not know what ed charges but the injectors, if they have never been touched, put new tips in them, thats what we do , i think the tips from agco are abot 65.00 apeace. and the pump, i dont know what ed charges but usually around 600.00 to go through depending on what is wrong and what needs to be replaced, thats what our fuel shop charged us.
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Auntwayne
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Posted: 08 Jun 2011 at 9:49am |
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We would like to have the person doing the rebuild, remove and reinstall as not have any screw ups !!!
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Brian Jasper co. Ia
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Posted: 08 Jun 2011 at 11:16am |
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Those are fairly easy to install. Just thoroughly clean the entire area so you keep dirt out. I found that a 9/16 flexible ratcheting endwrench worked fairly well putting the lines on. When you slide the pump on the shaft, (the shaft will stay in the engine) be gentle so you don't roll the shaft seal over. It's a pair of umbrella type seals.
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injpumpEd
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Posted: 08 Jun 2011 at 12:32pm |
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DB pumps generally run around $500 around here, unless in real poor shape. injectors can be dis-assembled and cleaned, new nozzles if needed, then re-set to spec. you are probably a little far for me to come put it on though. LOL! Ed.
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Auntwayne
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Posted: 08 Jun 2011 at 1:04pm |
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Ed, I looked up Walnut on google to see how far away you are from us a couple weeks ago, and, yes, you are plenty far away ! We are about 15 to 20 miles due east of St. Louis ( 55 and route 4 ). I have never even seen one taken apart, and, do not want to mess this one up as it still runs pretty good, but, it has it's bad days, its due !!!
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Posted: 08 Jun 2011 at 3:00pm |
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Surely there is someone local that could do the R & R for you, maybe after hours but would still give you a quality job and the satisfaction of seeing the work done. Check around, there are plenty of guys probably that would fit the bill. The task is not nearly as bad as you think, just that there are somethings that need doing right the first time.
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Posted: 08 Jun 2011 at 3:02pm |
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Often a liberal application of "barley pop" wil get a heck of a lot of stuff done!!!! Check out my signature on my posts and you will understand!!!
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Posted: 08 Jun 2011 at 6:50pm |
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I have a motto that I tell the new guys at work, " You never learn anything by watching- you learn by doing !!! . I guess I need to start looking up some info on the web, get a better handle on the situation.
Edited by Auntwayne - 10 Jun 2011 at 8:05pm
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Posted: 08 Jun 2011 at 9:34pm |
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If you don't want to go to the AGCO dealer, call Niel Evans at Northside Salvage in Red Bud, IL. Pretty close to you in the south side of the Metro East. They specialize in restoring AC's and have restored D17's before. Also have their own AC & Gleaner salvage yard. They wouldn't do the internal pump work themselves but could do the rest no problem. If they don't have a specific diesel pump shop they work with locally you could have them send it to Ed! 618-282-2455 or 618-282-2477. Mike
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Posted: 08 Jun 2011 at 9:46pm |
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Freight is cheaper to send it to ED!!!! You wont have a prolem have see alot of his work and its top shelf!!!!!!!!!!!!
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Posted: 08 Jun 2011 at 10:18pm |
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thanks for the kind words guys! I could talk you through the removal and re-installation if you are fairly handy with some basic tools. A very straight forward job. once tractor is cleaned off and parked in a safe location to sit a few days, shut off fuel tank valve. Take rectangular cover off side of pump(2 screws)turn engine by hand slowly until timing line comes into window and lines up with stationary line. now it's a matter of disconnecting linkage/cables, and fuel lines, and then removing pump. Very important not to turn engine until pump is back on. See, that wasn't hard. re-install by reversing the procedure, taking much care in working the first umbrella seal into pilot tube of pump(new seals come in rebuild kit) injectors are even easier to remove. pm me if interested. Ed.
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Posted: 09 Jun 2011 at 11:24am |
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We have been to Niel's place before, Ed, I will see my brother this afternoon, and , we will discuss what we want to do. I will get back to you .
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Posted: 09 Jun 2011 at 12:26pm |
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How much is a rebuild kit for a 180 with a Roosa Master injection pump? What is the part number of the rebuild kit?
I have the rebuild manual.
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Posted: 09 Jun 2011 at 1:51pm |
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a seal kit is # 24371, retails around $35. But, you wouldn't overhaul an engine with just a gasket set. A pilot tube and shut off cam for sure, maybe delivery valve, spring, metering valve & arm, transfer pump liner and blades, weight retainer if pins are beat badly. good luck, Ed.
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Posted: 09 Jun 2011 at 5:51pm |
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Thanks Ed. Great starting point. Who knows what one will find until the patient is opened up.
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Posted: 09 Jun 2011 at 10:06pm |
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Have been at the farm all afternoon brush hogging, finally got to machine shed late, we checked out the pump, and, what we need to do to remove, tomorrow, when there is " day light " , 2 injectors have been leaking since I can remember, Ed, if we remove an injector, will it need a new " seal " , gasket since it was removed for inspection ??? It seems pretty self evident how the removal will transpire. What would a " toasted" injector look like ? They would be replaced along with the pump rebuild naturally .
Edited by Auntwayne - 09 Jun 2011 at 10:16pm
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Posted: 10 Jun 2011 at 7:18am |
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yes, the compression gasket should only be used once. I dont automatically replace injector nozzles, alot of times they can be dis-assembled, cleaned, lapped, then re-assembled and set. you will see the tips be covered in carbon, but that doesn't mean they are toasted.
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Posted: 10 Jun 2011 at 3:40pm |
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Don't use any metal tools of any kind to remove carbon from the tips of the injectors. There is a pintle that sticks through and you can damage it easily. The manual says to use wood to remove any carbon. I used carb cleaner on a cloth rag to dissolve the carbon on mine.
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Posted: 10 Jun 2011 at 3:43pm |
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I soak the nozzles in carb cleaner dip, then if really nasty still they go into the ultrasonic cleaner. then some magic time with the lapping, and re-assemble. Adjust as needed, and enjoy!
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Posted: 10 Jun 2011 at 6:44pm |
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I got lucky I guess. All mine needed was the pressure raised. The shop that checked them said the opening pressure was 1700 to 1800 before. Spray pattern was very good so he bumped them up to 2000.
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Posted: 10 Jun 2011 at 7:12pm |
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Had no time to go out to the farm today, but, will be there all day tomorrow. Will report back saturday night if not to late getting home !!!
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Posted: 11 Jun 2011 at 8:55pm |
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Saturday Update, called the AGCO dealer this morning to price injectors,....$115 each, not gonna happen x's 6, not the problem anyway. How much are injector gaskets ? as 2 have leaked as far back as I can remember, and , injectors need to be removed for inspection, could not quote a price, but, referred me to Dietrich in Nashville or Carlinville Hydraulics, both here in Illinois. So, to make a long story short, need to order injector gaskets this week as to fix the 2 that are leaking, and, do a visual inspection on the other 4 !!!
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