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    Posted: 01 Feb 2021 at 5:24pm
I've been seeing it more and more, solar panels being mounted on residential home roofs Confused . I'm all for going green, but these panels are mounted on top of existing fiber glass shingles that will have to be replaced LONG before the panels do CryCry. My question is in a nutshell, WERE these homeowners "duped" into a contract for the panels without being informed of the upgraded cost (labor) of replacing the shingles with all of the panels in place ??
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Not only that, but here in MI. I don't see that solar panel are all that practical, because MI is rated 47th out of the 48 continental states. 

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Rated in what Dusty

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Ive heard most solar panels have a life of 7 years, so the folks putting them off the roof in banks are thinking right 
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The solar panels block most of the deadly UV sunrays, so the FG shingles actually last longer. What normally happens  is the UV  sun breaksdown the 'tar' binding the grit to the FG sunstrate,so the shingles need to be replaced. Prevent the sun from getting to the 'tar' and they'll last much,much longer.
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Originally posted by Dusty MI Dusty MI wrote:

Not only that, but here in MI. I don't see that solar panel are all that practical, because MI is rated 47th out of the 48, in available sunshine, in the continental states. 

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probably go thru TWO SETS of solar panels before the shingles crap out !
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I priced them out to get solar.  The guarantee on the panels is longer than that, although I don't remember, seems it was 15 or 30 years.  If we are selling electricity back to the company all summer, then we are just getting back what we sold them during the gray days.  With the setup they offered it would pay for itself in 15 years, and that was the same from three different companies.  Although I decided against it, It was very informative.  If I would have been 30 years younger I would have gone for it.
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With the setup they offered it would pay for itself in 15 years, and that was the same from three different companies..

and a day later they CRAP OUT so time to buy SET TWO.... Rather keep my money in the market and draw INTEREST.. not break even.
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You guys thinking about putting them up check with your electric supplier. My kid put them on his house. Was fine for a couple of years then the electric company started charging him for the electricity he contributated to their system. Wound up raising his electric bill higher than it was before the panels were installed. He took them down.
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Well I guess I got wondering about solar completely out of my system. Thank you!
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i too have 3 new solar panels, unsure where i'll put them yet, thinking of maybe a side of a south facing building. they will be mostly for convienience for electric rather than making or saving $$$. 
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plus...i'm enjoying roofs that don't have holes in them. lived with leaking roofs to long.
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Solar Cells have a Working Life, the reaction within the cells is what derives electrical power and it degrades over time.  Yes they can produce power at fifteen or eighteen years but by then is generally 2/3 or less design load and again are SUPPLEMENTAL systems, have to feed a Battery or Inverter as are DC Electrical where if Not grid Connected will Cease Production unless have a Synchronizing gear as well.  All well and good until figure the cell manufacturers of less than ten years ago are now Out Of Business, or bought out and previous warranties worthless, is a consideration there as to INTENDED Sales or Name Changes or other improprieties to get away with selling the 20-25 year warranted product that has no one to pay out that warranty after even ten years.

As to the sell back of power, now the large scale production companies charge the end user with Lease on the grid attachment gear, Line Rental time fees when producing Back into the grid and other associated service charges to recover expenses for the lines and other associated gear the end user does not purchase.  Neighbors with S Cells are either tearing them out or using for other purposes as expense get stupid.  One is less than 12 years in service, they can no longer get 50% of design delivery out and are being told DO NOT place them in the trash, Licensed Special Waste disposal fees apply.  Installer LONG out of business here, seems is as bad as the flighty Roofers that show up after a hail storm only to vanish with no recompense as to shoddy materials or work.
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Originally posted by john(MI) john(MI) wrote:

I priced them out to get solar.  The guarantee on the panels is longer than that, although I don't remember, seems it was 15 or 30 years.  If we are selling electricity back to the company all summer, then we are just getting back what we sold them during the gray days.  With the setup they offered it would pay for itself in 15 years, and that was the same from three different companies.  Although I decided against it, It was very informative.  If I would have been 30 years younger I would have gone for it.
15 years?!  Well, at least they were honest with you.  But, 15 years, and you were thinking about it?!  No thanks, that's a horrible payback.
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I have 2 small solar panels that put out 12 volt that I have one on each end of my building and use to charge batteries in the winter, just move them around to different batteries ever so often. My electric company and other place I look can get electric cheaper from their electric plants they own.
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an old Coal Fired Power Plant can make power for 2.3 - 3.5 cents per kilowatt... They need a profit , pay for the poles, lines, depreciation of transmission, etc.. so they sell it for 8- 15 cents per kilowatt...........Thats why if you have a house and buying at 10 cents, and you have a solar panel that can feed BACK into the system, they dont give you 10 CENTS... because they can buy it from the Power Plant for 2.5 cents.
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Originally posted by shameless dude shameless dude wrote:

plus...i'm enjoying roofs that don't have holes in them. lived with leaking roofs to long.
LMAO !!! That was something I didn't even point out WinkWink . I don't car what has been said earlier, it's STUPID to install panels on a roof that has any age at all (residential) on it as far as re-roofing $$$ in the future Big smile . From what I understand, the cost of a "panel" better be pretty cheap if it doesn't last more than several years Ouch.
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can you get panels big enough to park hay wagons under them lol
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but I think the future of them is that tv show mystery of the abandoned 
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i do have a solar battery charger i got from HF, it's simple, and it works. not as fast as a plug in unit. but prolly better for battery upkeep on combines or tractors or trucks that sit all winter. a helper left my 180 out in the hay field one day, left the key on and the radio and a work light on back. the battery was dead the next morning. that was the first time i tried the solar battery charger, laid it on top of the hood of the 180 and hooked it up, it started that afternoon. was easier than pulling the battery.
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Did not have that kind of luck with mine
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Large Solar project in S CA is in trouble.  Uses Solar heat reflected off mirrors to heat a Molten Sodium Salts storage system into fluid heat, worked for a few times but 90% of the time a CNG generation system aligned aside the facility does the power production.  Problems with molten Salts leaks, storage facility ruptures and leaks, failure to keep the materials molten with residual material blocking flow paths.  Just in general a Piddly Poor design that did not live up to expectations.  And as well birds flying thru the reflected heat streams are burned injured to completely killed sparking PETA and other Animals Protection groups assaults.

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here's a thought...
if 'they' want to go antiFF, aka Solar/wind...fine..
however NO FF backup !
Only 'green' energy sources allowed, 'they' cannot use, even in an emergency, ANY fossil fuel resources(oil, gas,etc).

so any bets on how long sunny California would be in the dark ??
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Originally posted by DMiller DMiller wrote:

And as well birds flying thru the reflected heat streams are burned injured to completely killed sparking PETA and other Animals Protection groups assaults.
I flew a Piper Aztec into Las Vegas several years ago.  As I flew past the Luxor (the large gold windowed pyramid shaped casino), the reflected heat was tremendous. I can understand how the heat from a solar panel would kill birds.
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Not a believer in green energy, but here in sunny Wink Califory it dose make a bit of power. That big old puddle to the west keeps us warm if you call 55 degrees F warm cause that is water temp more or less. I am currently wishing I had better wood in my fire this morning cause the sun disappeared again. But from what I am told still makes a bit of "juice" even with clouds. 


All the rich like Shameless and Joe Wink ( pensions from gov or big corp ) and thrifty too, have solar panels (with all the hillsides many are not on the roof). I have never had the cash to "invest" but with the kooks running the  asylum here demanding green energy it will pay off in the end. They will make us tax payers buy some pie in the sky for some "disadvantage" group as current electric price is a lot higher than average across the USA already. It would be possible to keep a freezer or 3 cold and pump water up the hill so it could run the "flusher" all night, and not be all the way back to the stone age. But until the next big new improvement in panels will never power the whole state even in the day time. Which just makes the gas fired back up even less efficient cause you don't heat the water for steam in a few minutes to fill in for a cloud blowing across the sun for a hour.  You need to keep the water hot so another government idea that suck ( brought to you by Dems cause they stole the vote here the last 30 years).

The project DMiller talked of is just a test run to find storage for solar power. With the ding bats in charge (Dems and left for those without good judgement of people) we don't start small ( it's only tax payers money). Hopefully something of value is learned from the project.

Many of the on roof solar systems here are approaching 20 years already. The only solar panels I hear of being replaced are because new put out more juice per square foot. So I would like a solar system but not on my house roof. Like Mikez use it for a shed, but nobody has ever told me if that is practical. But I keep asking. 


I forgot to say it be the law here a new house or remodel you got to put solar in. Thank you again government dictators. 


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Most roofers will agree that you should not install solar panels on a roof that has 10 or fewer years of life left in it. The best time to install solar panels is when you get a new roof. Both of these methods can cause damage to your roof over time and lead to costly fixes and possible warranty issues. So before installing solar panels, appeal to a roofing company that will make an inspection of your house's roof. If it is good for installing or not. I can advise you https://city2surfroofing.com.au/metal-roofing-sydney/, they are good specialists.

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The Size of the Roof is Important, need close to 2000sf of Rooftop to generate enough energy to run a Fridge and Microwave Oven.  That is the sad part. 


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Originally posted by Korann Korann wrote:

I have also noticed that solar panels are gaining popularity and can be in front of the windows of even not very rich apartments. I've also seen that such panels appear on the roofs of gas stations or stores, and it's pretty convenient. The only disadvantage of this innovation is that these panels are initially costly. I looked at the prices and changed my mind about buying them. You can also call such a disadvantage an area. These panels are enormous, so you need quite a bit of space to put them on the roof of your house. I think that https://tdhomepro.com/ can help with such a thing that can fail on its own if you do not know how to use it.

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I guess I will be the man out here. We run our cabin off of solar. It's just a small 12v system with 3 panels. We have a charger inverter. We do have a battery bank. We run a fridge, lights, a small water pump and an air conditioner during the day with no problems. I don't have a monthly bill. But we have a south exposer with nothing sun blocking. The panels are pole mounted.  It will shut down if we use the air at night. You do have a learning curve with solar. For me to run grid power to my cabin would have been cost prohibitive. I do have a small generator that can be hooked to the cabin if needed. The generator will run everything and charge my battery pack. But to be honest would I run my house on it? Probably not. I believe there is a place for solar and that's at my cabin.
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