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Posted: 15 Apr 2015 at 6:30pm |
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Good evening. I've been pondering some plow options for our 7010. It seems a roll-over style plow would be the better choice. Considering the weight of such plows, what would be the right size for a 2wd 7010?
Also, thoughts on make and model? Kverneland plows look pretty slick, but I think they're out of my price range.
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Aaron
Edited by Spelt Farmer - 16 Apr 2015 at 1:39am
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Posted: 15 Apr 2015 at 7:05pm |
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I don't know what type of ground you have, but on our White 2-105, we run a John Deere 4200 (Hey, Shameless!!!!) that we removed one bottom from (So, it's a 3-16 now). We could pull a 4th bottom, but we'd rather be a little easier on the tractor.
The International plows are highly regarded out here. If you're looking for something that's late-model, the Arts Way plows are the same design as the IH ones are.
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Posted: 15 Apr 2015 at 7:33pm |
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Depending on soil type 4-16 or 4-18
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Posted: 15 Apr 2015 at 9:24pm |
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I didn't pull a rollover plow, but I've always pulled a 5-16 semi mount with my 7010, no fluid, and 400# weights on front. hills and flat ground. oh...and Matidor...I thinks...you deserve a JD! happy farming!
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Posted: 16 Apr 2015 at 1:45am |
Looking at IH/Artsway plows provided some serious sticker shock. It looks like a decent plow is worth more than the 7010! And they're all in Texas or Idaho. I did read somewhere that Artway supposedly built the IH rollover plows.
I ran across a reasonably priced JD 4200, but from what I've read they pull hard like other JD plows.
Perhaps the best course of action is to buy a good standard plow, and keep my eyes peeled for a rollover.
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Posted: 16 Apr 2015 at 2:05am |
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Best choice is Oliver/Ford or IH 3-16. As has been said JD's pull a lot harder. Most farmers who plow around here use IH's. (except for me with my Allis) Even guys who probably wear JD underwear have a red plow. I guess they are pretty rare in the east, out here round and round plows (as we call them) are rare, except for the 7+ bottom ones used in dryland wheat.
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Posted: 16 Apr 2015 at 3:11am |
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there are "2" MM 5-btm semi mount plows for sale at Snyder, Ne. $250. each, see them on Omaha, Ne craigs list under farm and garden! (not mine)
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Posted: 16 Apr 2015 at 5:52am |
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We had a 4200 4 bottom JD plow pulled with the 8050 did a great job..
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Posted: 16 Apr 2015 at 8:31am |
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I have Allis chalmers 4 bottom roll over plow 9893792721
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Posted: 16 Apr 2015 at 9:12am |
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I think a 4-bottom roll over would be perfect for that tractor.
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Posted: 16 Apr 2015 at 10:40am |
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I'm just curious; what is your situation that the roll over plow is preferred?
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Posted: 16 Apr 2015 at 11:14am |
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I don't know if this is the case with the OP, but out here we irrigate. Therefore, we cannot have any dead furrows. A rollover plow works very well for that.
The cylinder broke on our Deere 4200 a couple of years ago. While it was being fixed, we could only plow one way. At the end of the field, we would have to lift and dead-head back to where we started.
When our tractor blew an engine last year, the neighbor loaned us his Deere 8300. He had a six bottom IH on it. The plow may have been newer, but it did a much better job than ours.
I'm pretty much with Shameless on the quality of JD stuff. They make a nice grain drill, but everything else we have of theirs is sub-par.
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Posted: 16 Apr 2015 at 12:28pm |
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now...yer startin to see the light!
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Posted: 16 Apr 2015 at 12:29pm |
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y 5-btm IH pulled easier than dads 3=btm JD plow!
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Posted: 16 Apr 2015 at 1:39pm |
 carl wrote:
I'm just curious; what is your situation that the roll over plow is preferred? |
Smaller, odd shaped, hilly fields. With a conventional plow you're throwing soil down hill, or you have to deadhead back. Speaking of Allis rollover plows, are wear parts still available. I've been reading that some left hand parts are scarce for older plows. -Aaron
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Posted: 16 Apr 2015 at 4:15pm |
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Use a chisel plow or a semi mounted plow if you are on a hill that bad NO Till is best answer!
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Posted: 16 Apr 2015 at 6:05pm |
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Well it depends on where ure live and type of soil here is western pa we pull a 5 bottom 720 international with our 7010 loaded wheels and few weights on front end.
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Posted: 16 Apr 2015 at 10:33pm |
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Chisel plow would be nice, but being organic doesn't allow me to burn things down with herbicide. Not sure if chisel plowing is the answer for fields that have been in hay for a decade either.
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Posted: 17 Apr 2015 at 12:45am |
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disc field in 2 directions then blow through that field with a 7 or 9 shank chisel so much easier than plowing in a field and faster! Taken from someone who like to sink big 6-18 white spring auto reset deep in the ground and roll up Chinese rocks LOL at least that is what dad claimed I did, then always plowed the outside with chisel plow so much easier and faster! last I checked C/L there was an allis chisel plow listed in Dayton, ohio c/l @Urbana , Ohio for 900$.
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Posted: 17 Apr 2015 at 12:59am |
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This is mostly for Shameless:
Where my father lived, there were two dealers- a Massey dealer, and a Deere dealer. The Massey dealer called in a few loans on other family members, which really hurt them (In the 80s, no less). My father refused to work with him after that, so he became loyal to the Deere dealer.
When we moved out here, he brought a lot of his stuff, and here, there are two dealers- Deere and Case IH (on the Case side originally). So, most equipment here is Deere. Both our tractor and combine came from Illinois with us, as did a lot of the other stuff.
Personally, I wouldn't prefer a John Deere to anything. I think they made "decent enough" equipment, but I think that for everything they make/made, someone is always better. We're starting to become a farm of many colors.
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For the plow, an IH is the best on the newer ones as far as I'm concerned. But, out here there are really only two 4-bottom plows in use- the Deere 4200 and the IH 145. If I could only have one of those two, I'd take the IH.
I've heard many great things about the Oliver/White plows, but I've never used one, or even seen one out here.
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Posted: 17 Apr 2015 at 1:05am |
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It is getting real hard to get AC plow wear parts, especially the left hand side. I finally converted my AC to Oliver shears and rebuilt the left hand shins, got the right hand ones. Seems like Oliver parts are pretty close to AC and they are much more available, maybe because they made them for a couple other brands.
Last Sat I watched two MF spinner plows sell, one 4 bottom the other 3 not bad shape but needed shears, both brought $500 or slightly better. Higher then I thought they would go. Only MF stuff on the farm.
Spelt Farmer, where are you in Ohio? Don't think I've ever seen a spinner plow back there but I haven't been all over the state. Mostly in the NE part, Medina County.
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Posted: 17 Apr 2015 at 1:09am |
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Out here, that would be a good price. The last auction I was at had both a Deere 4200 and an IH 145.
The Deere brought $2300, and the IH brought $4200.
Stuff out here is crazy expensive, though!
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Posted: 17 Apr 2015 at 1:11am |
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There is an IH 145 4 bottom coming up at a sale near me this Sat, will watch it sell (if it's not still snowing).
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Posted: 17 Apr 2015 at 4:13am |
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JohnCO, we're in Wayne County, about a mile south of the Medina county line.
-Aaron
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Posted: 17 Apr 2015 at 2:54pm |
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Aaron, You might know my cousin, Brian Cadnum. He's on the Town & Country Coop board, farms around Hinckley and south.
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Posted: 18 Apr 2015 at 11:44pm |
matador wrote:
Out here, that would be a good price. The last auction I was at had both a Deere 4200 and an IH 145.
The Deere brought $2300, and the IH brought $4200.
Stuff out here is crazy expensive, though!
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In this part of the country moldboard plows usually go for scrap value whatever the color because just about everyone has gone to continuous No-Till. Last spring I saw a Deere 3945 switch plow just like this one in the local scrap yard. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MDF7m5hYGgMApparently the scrap iron man couldn't bear to cut that thing up because he had set it off to the side with a hand painted sign that said "make offer!". I was really tempted to bring it home and stick it in the shed because I really wanted one 20 years ago when we plowed every spring and fall. With the way we farm now I really have no use for it though.
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Posted: 19 Apr 2015 at 8:14am |
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We used to run IH 720 plows..5-18 on our 7030 and 6-18 on our 7060..We ended up trading them for two White on land 598 9-18s that we pull with our 2 Versatile 850's.. I really had no complaints with the IH plows but we like the Whites better...they seem to cover trash better...not sure which plow pulls easier because we wouldn't really be comparing apples to apples...we still moldboard quite a bit here
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Posted: 19 Apr 2015 at 10:08am |
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Back in the days when I plowed (D17 days) I had a 3-16 and a 4-14 and was told that the 4-14 would pull easier than the 3-16. The wider the bottom the harder it pulls. That is a very true statement. More narrow bottoms pull easier than fewer wide bottoms. My D17s pulled the 4-14 much easier than the 3-16.
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