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Gary Burnett 
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 Posted: 28 Feb 2025 at 7:01am |
 tbran wrote:
As a dealer, I agree - customers BOUGHT the tractor - they should be able to do with it as they see - If they want to buy a service manual they can - should be able to buy the electronic portion as well . IF they screw it up - it is their fault - if they fix it - it is their gain. Deere argues they have 'proprietary' (secret) info they do not want accessed - BS. It is the money. |
Well of course it's the money JD isn't a charity organization just like every other business.They are going to do things that bring them back the best return Dollar$ wise.
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jvin248
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Posted: 28 Feb 2025 at 9:40pm |
" of course it's the money JD isn't a charity organization just like every other business.They are going to do things that bring them back the best return Dollar$ wise."
Lol. It's all short sighted.
Companies make more profit from returning customers than "conquest" sales.
Happy customers tell three friends, disgruntled customers tell sixteen friends to avoid the company.
No amount of marketing can overcome recommendations by friends.
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darrel in ND
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Posted: 01 Mar 2025 at 7:21am |
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Simple solution, if there are terms in company's policy that you don't like, don't buy their products. Darrel
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WF owner
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Posted: 01 Mar 2025 at 7:43am |
When you put it in perspective, it's probably not going to matter much, since the computer software will be so expensive, it will be cost prohibitive except for the biggest repair facilities. You may continue to be able to do routine stuff like changing fluids, belts or hoses. Anything that requires actual repairs, will have to be done with the computer program for the vehicle/engine they are working on.
With cars and light trucks, there are so many units sold in the country, aftermarket companies can come up with software that they can use to develop a profitable program very similar to the manufacturers. I just don't think there is enough demand for a similar program for new farm equipment (tractors, combines, self-propelled choppers, haybines, sprayers, etc.).
When I see how complex, detailed and the fact that the computer programs are constantly changing and updating for a new vehicle, I just don't see how anyone other than a huge repair facility will be able to keep up with the changes.
It's easy to blame John Deere, Case-International or any of the other manufacturers, but the bottom line is all vehicles are controlled by computers and all repairs will require computer programs to keep up with problems.
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Gary Burnett
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Posted: 01 Mar 2025 at 8:07am |
jvin248 wrote:
" of course it's the money JD isn't a charity organization just like every other business.They are going to do things that bring them back the best return Dollar$ wise."
Lol. It's all short sighted.
Companies make more profit from returning customers than "conquest" sales.
Happy customers tell three friends, disgruntled customers tell sixteen friends to avoid the company.
No amount of marketing can overcome recommendations by friends.
Sounds good but in the case of JD what they are doing is making them a pile of money and financially doing very well overall.The business trash bin is full of companies that didn't put their financial interests first. Really the people that buy new from JD have traded them in or sold before they need any any real reapairs so what happens down the line doesn't mean much to them.
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steve(ill)
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Posted: 01 Mar 2025 at 8:34am |
With cars and light trucks, there are so many units sold in the country, aftermarket companies can come up with software that they can use to develop a profitable program very similar to the manufacturers. I just don't think there is enough demand for a similar program for new farm equipment (tractors, combines, self-propelled choppers, haybines, sprayers, etc.).
thats not how it works... The TRACTOR Companies are Intentionally LOCKING YOU OUT so you can not see the DATA.... Nobody wants to spend THOUSANDS for the Factory Computer.. If the Company would OPEN UP ACCESS,, you can do 50% of the repairs at home with a small scanner..
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Like them all, but love the "B"s.
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AC720Man
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Posted: 01 Mar 2025 at 9:20pm |
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This is whole reason I farm with vintage AC tractors and the fact I can’t afford the new stuff lol. Don’t want the aggravation my JD neighbor has. $400 just for a tech to plug in a laptop for 15 minutes to tell him what’s wrong with it.
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1968 B-208, 1976 720 (2 of them)Danco brush hog, single bottom plow,52" snow thrower, belly mower,rear tine tiller, rear blade, front blade, 57"sickle bar,1983 917 hydro, 1968 7hp sno-bee, 1968 190XTD
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ecosse23
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Posted: 02 Mar 2025 at 3:35pm |
jvin248 wrote:
Right to repair is a huge deal. Don't buy equipment from manufacturers who don't subscribe to it. Deere and Apple are the two biggest offenders out there. Can you afford disposable equipment? That's what they want. |
Your point about disposable equipment is interesting, because Brooks Stevens (who designed the Allis-Chalmers Model B) actually coined the phrase "planned obsolescence". His idea was that if car designs changed every year, customers would decide their old car was obsolete, then trade it in and buy a new one. He was using styling to make cars disposable, whereas nowadays corporations are using technology to make almost everything disposable.
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Chad S
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Posted: 02 Mar 2025 at 7:02pm |
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Ok guys, I have been a JD tech for 20 years. Anything ag related the codes can be seen through the corner post or armrest screen. The only things that cannot be calibrated through the corner post or armrest screen is injector calibration values and vgt calibration. About everything else can be viewed on the corner post and armrest screen. Configurable address and be changed through there also. But some address simply cannot be changed. Most address are just information.Anything from about 2006 tells what the code is. And no, Service Advisor does not just tell you what to fix by looking up the code. You need to have some diagnostic experience to figure out what’s wrong. I think Deere doesn’t want the actual machine software out there in anybody’s hands. I’m sure someone would try and tweak the software beyond what the machine is capable of. Pretty sure anyone can buy manuals and or Service Advisor if they want .
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