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Joined: 15 Apr 2017
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    Posted: 23 Jun 2020 at 8:45pm
Did any of you gentlemen ever run rice through a smaller Gleaner; K,F,G combine? Seems like rice was/is run through somewhat large Red and Green machines but not so much Silver?
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Sold thru AC / Gleaner a K2 to the Crowley LA. rice experiment station - rasp bar. Harvest all the rice test plots.  I worked for AC and logged the runs of the preproduction F2 L2and M2 rice Gleaners.  Put out in Welch La.  Able and Son Equip.  1976 - lots of stories... and yes the Gleaners would thresh rice... just no dealers in the rice areas.  Dan Harold and a few others were the only dealers left when the Rice units were 're'released. Gleaner AII, CII G L,M,F were all sold in Rice version.  We worked with the N series - with SPIKE thresher sections were tried but the L's would out perform the rotaries with the P1 processor.  We set up a R70 with the P3 in rice in Alice Ark.  Sam Adams farms a few year (decade) ago.  In terrible conditions with a 24' rice straight head we cut more rice in a 3 hour time span than did 3 1660 Rice machines with 17' heads.  Yes there were a few Gleaners - still some - that cut the heck out of rice - and the rice cuts the heck out of wear points 10X over soybeans. 
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Thank you for the reply Tbran !!
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May I ask why rice is so hard on any brand of machine ??
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Is the "spiked tooth" cylinder configuration suitable for other crops ?
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Spike tooth cylinder came on Deeres for edible beans. I had an old one, which we used only for oats and it worked fine.
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Most old thrashing machines were spike tooth cylinder. All rice machines I ever saw were spike tooth.        MACK
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Rice has a long husk, it is flooded and picks up dust that adheres to the seed plus the plant is covered with fine silt as well.  Then as it goes thru the combine it is like a polishing agent.  Ed Meir and Tom Sadtmueller came to inspect our combines which had run 2 weeks in rice.  They ask why we took all the paint off the auger :-)... Dealers in LA and ark actually STOCKED auger flighting as weld on replacement for header auger flighting weld in replacement ... Rice will actually wear the front fingers off the adjustable chaffer .... 
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Spike Cylinders with floating feeder beaters were an awesome improvement in feeding in tough soybeans.  I went on a demo with a rasp bar M2 in Opelousas La..  with dealer Tom Shexsnider - spelled that wrong I know.  We were in the field with a 915 IH and a 760 Mf with spike tooth  in soybeans.  We were embarrassed. Our wheat grain head with pick up reel would not cut lower that 4" which made a mess. The MF and IH heads would skim the table top flat ground at 4.5 MPH with 20 ' headers.    We went back to the shop, flipped the angle the gaurds bolted to and built a wedge kit to tip the guards down and installed sprockets to speed the sickle up.  Changed the cylinder out for a spike grrrr - and removed the last two row of spikes and put in the open grate conversion. Installed a bean screen in lieu of adjustable sieve  and a week later went back out again... and again found a M2 was no match for a 915 or 760 with some fuel turned to them.  But we did now have a respectable combine in flat land  La. soybeans. Tom Later did the same ticks to a L2 with the 158 Hp engine and  could now keep up with the Jones, Hebers, Boudin's, Fontinot's..... in most conditions.   We also used dual accumulators and rock skids for a mechanical header height control... took a good operator..  
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Just have to ask, tbran, what was your job with Gleaner? Did I read that you worked with the N series?
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When grain threshers were initially being manufactured (Farm history), larger horsepower was not always readily available. Spike tooth cylinder threshing tends to use less horsepower.
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In our "area" back in the '70's/early '80's, there were almost as many IH combines as Gleaners. The IH numbers that stood out were 6 and 715 machines, 1 guy ran a 915. Was there an 815 ??
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I was a product rep/district mgr.  They shipped pre production Rice combine in S La and it was my job to get the hours on them and log the results, put on any updates and haul the engineers and big wigs out to see them run.  No I did not do a lot with the N series other than 1 N6 that had a hybrid spike and rasp cyl - not a great success. However if we had the P3 with steep helicals with the late hd cage sweep.... it might have been a different story...
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Originally posted by FREEDGUY FREEDGUY wrote:

In our "area" back in the '70's/early '80's, there were almost as many IH combines as Gleaners. The IH numbers that stood out were 6 and 715 machines, 1 guy ran a 915. Was there an 815 ??
There was an 815 also. Not many of those IH combines in our area at all until the rotary came along. The 815 and 915 had a bad reputation around here.
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