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Repairing Allis Chalmers Power Feed Box (wagon)

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    Posted: 16 Mar 2021 at 1:55pm
Hi all,
I just got an AC self-unloading wagon (power feed box) with a non-working front apron.  The main apron that draws silage forward works fine, but the smaller one that pushes stuff out the side outlet needs to be fixed.  For sure I need to replace the chain that brings power over to the gears that run it (not the apron, but just the chain), and the bevel gears that send power to that chain also are mashed up.
I'm looking around for even a parts catalogue, but I can't find anything.  Does anyone have any recommendation for how to find replacement parts?  I know these wagons aren't common anymore.

Thanks so much!
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hi.
We’re not to far from you. Just up near Albany. We might have nos parts you need. Hopefully someone will have a parts book to get us numbers. I’ll also look for parts book.


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I have one for parts here in Colorado come over You can have them. Doug
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I have a hard copy parts book for the self-unloading forage wagons and power feed boxes, so if you can post a pic of the parts you need, I can hopefully find the part # and Mike, myself and others might be able to come up with the parts for you.
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OK thank you all so much- I really appreciate your help.
I'm attaching a few pictures to show what I'm describing - there are the bevel gears that are gnashed up, and the chain (which is powered by the bevel gear and transfers power to the unloading apron) has broken.

Do these look replaceable?

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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote HD6GTOM Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 18 Mar 2021 at 12:39am
I wonder who built them for AC. Were they a Badger built unit or something else?
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I think Calhoun made them
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Soildground, Nice older AC power feed box.
The first AC power feed silage box (supplied by Calhoun Co., Cedar Falls, Iowa) production was marketed from about 1959-1962. It was usually monted on a 7 ton gear. 1964& later Power feed boxes were built by AC at Laporte - courteous Norm Swinford's 1914-1985 AC Equipment book.
If your wagon sits on an AC running gear, it should have an ID tag located on its rear frame. If you tell me the numbers from that ID tag, I can tell you which gear it is.

IMO, your wagon’s bevel gears don’t look that bad. That looks like typical wear on bevels. If you haven’t tried running them, attach some 2040/2050?? drive chains to it’s unloader & given it a turn by pto.
Buy “A”(USA made)not “I” (Import made)replacement chain. US last longer, Import stretches quicker & wears out sprockets. Web links below.

It’s unloader chain & slats looks like it uses a common “steel detachable chain”? Maybe 55 size - 1.281” outside width.? Here’s a web link to a supplier;


https://www.shoupparts.com/A2040-2040-Roller-Chain
https://www.shoupparts.com/A2050-2050-Roller-Chainhttps://www.shoupparts.com/SDC55-55-Steel-Detachable-Chain

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If it’s bevel gears are worn out. Their original AC part number is 515366. They are 18T & held onto their round drive shafts with a woodruff key part # 905845.

It’s unloader conveyor uses a 55H detachable chain, part# 921052. The conveyor drive chain part# 918563(108 links). It doesn’t mention its size. If its sprockets measure 1” between teeth(centers) then it probably uses 2040 chain. If it’s sprockets measure 1.25” between teeth, then 2050 chain. If teeth are 1.5”, then 2060 chain.
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Wow, thank you all so much for this information - I'll measure the chain to best match it.
And yes, it does have an ID plate on the back.  It says:
Cat. No. 2013847
Serial 7 5999
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Your AC running gear is a model 700.
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ac7060 do you have a picture of the page from parts book with gears.
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This photo shows a picture of the apron's conveyor drive chain configuration near the bevel gears. Thought that might help Solidground know how to route it?
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Parts (2) of number 5 are the bevel gears located on the backside of it's pto input shaft.
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This is the continuation of the bevel gear parts (page 39)
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have card on 515366 and have a box’s different of chain 
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Nice looking floor yet on that discarge,  I take it that rope is for opening and closing the box into the discharge chute?  Must have been parked clean or had no silage in it to not be rusted through.


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eBay item # 313076291944, A-C Parts List Self Unloading Forage Wagon, $20
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Soildground, I curious - what did your wagon’s conveyor drive sprockets measure between their teeth?

Mikez, that’s amazing that you might have those bevel gears in your old new stock.
you said,   "have card on 515366 and have a box’s different of chain ."  
So I'm thinking that your part numbers are listed Numerically by card catalog? If that's correct, here are ALL the part numbers for the AC Power Feed Box. How many of these might you have in stock?
  


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well ac7060 the bevel gears I was thinking of fit an all crop harvester but yes the cards are the index filling cards. And have one one the number you posted. And one on the chain 921052 and it’s a-2050 and on box written a farmers name and “forage box” .
I’ll check out what else from your parts book. Are you looking for something also.
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Amazing, thank you all so much, for the info and the leads! I really appreciate the help-
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Oh and the old roller chain measures a pitch of 1 1/4 inch, with a inner width of around 3/8 inch.  So that's the standard 2050, I think?
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I have a neighbor that has an old AC forage box sitting in his pasture that I bet could be had for almost nothing. I am about 4 hours north of you.
They were a very good box. If I remember right the bed apron (lags) ratcheted like many old manure spreaders, rather than a worm gear drive.
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Originally posted by Mikez Mikez wrote:

well ac7060 the bevel gears I was thinking of fit an all crop harvester but yes the cards are the index filling cards. And have one one the number you posted. And one on the chain 921052 and it’s a-2050 and on box written a farmers name and “forage box” .
I’ll check out what else from your parts book. Are you looking for something also.
Mikez, So these index filling cards that you have, were they used in conjunction with a microfiche machine(scanner) like the dealership had back in the 1970-80s?  No I'm not looking for any power feed box items. I just thought if it would help anyone, I'd share it's whole listing of the parts numbers. 
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote Mikez Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 23 Mar 2021 at 9:33pm
no these were before that. I think iv see 1956 on some of them. You had the counter top parts book set up and of course the stacks of books under the counter lol. Then you look up what the customer is looking for and get the part number then go to the index cards, ours are in a wooden box also on counter and find part number which tells the bin location, simple description and how many on hand. Then your supposed to mark what you take out or add into stock.
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wish the floor on the front looked that good on my two wagons i need to do some fabricating on the both
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Is there any information on the input shaft in the main gearbox the pto Hooks to mine snapped off when the pto fell to the road and encountered a pothole
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what’s the part number
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Originally posted by feuchter feuchter wrote:

Is there any information on the input shaft in the main gearbox the pto Hooks to mine snapped off when the pto fell to the road and encountered a pothole
The AC Power-Feed box has two pto input shafts where your tractor’s pto mounts. Best I can understand is that it’s upper pto input shaft (part# 538900) is for front unloading. It’s lower pto input shaft (part# 539064) is for rear unloading. There doesn’t seem to be a gearbox, per say? Input shafts turn open bevel gears(upper) or belt pulley(lower). Hope this helps.

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