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Ryan Renko
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Topic: ReminiscingPosted: 12 Sep 2016 at 8:50pm |
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I left the farm tonight and was in awe of the local BTO shelling corn just down the road from us. They like the green Kool-Aid and had quite a display of modern machinery going on. Two combines with lights blasting and beacons going round and round as grain carts chased them down!! 3 semis sitting on the road waiting. I stopped and watched for several minutes in amazement. I then started to think back to the previous owner of this farm. I turned 50 last year and I remember the elderly lifetime bachelor that used to own this ground. He used to combine this whole field with a AllCrop 72 back in the day. By himself. No hired help. He would park his simple grain truck which would be lucky if it held 200 bushel and combine with the 72 until he filled it up. Then he would shut down the harvesting and drive the load to the local grain elevator that was about 5 miles away. Then repeat the process again and again. Well he has been deceased for 20 + years now but I remember how things used to be. Were they better? Worse? or just a simple time lost. Ryan
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shameless (ne)
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Posted: 12 Sep 2016 at 10:30pm |
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I too remember dad planting the whole farm with a 2 row planter, and seeing the look on his face when I pulled in the same fields with an 8-row! he also combined wheat and soybeans with his #60 or #66 combine, and the same look when I pulled in with a 6-row header on a self propelled combine! the only difference between the 2 of us was I also had a full time job in town and farming, while all he did was the farming. I had bigger equipment so it took less time (hafta sleep sometime)!
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HudCo
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Posted: 12 Sep 2016 at 11:03pm |
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this new stuff is great but i sure would like to go back to the 70s ways of things i am 52 so that is that decade i want to hold on to . i would not even complain about hoeing sweet corn or thinning sugar beets not to much anyways
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CrestonM
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Posted: 12 Sep 2016 at 11:12pm |
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I'd go back to the 50s. Things were starting to get a little more modern, such as tractors with hydraulics, and self propelled combines were catching on, but there were still small family farms everywhere. You didn't need to farm 5,500 acres of wheat to make a living.
My great-granddad farmed 300 acres until 1983 with just a Ford Jubilee and the 3pt implements that went with it, as well as a 10' JD grain binder for his hay, the 60A All-Crop, a 10' IHC grain drill on tall steel wheels, and a JD 50 manure spreader. By then, there were combines with 30' headers and tractors with 300+ hp, but he stuck with the 5' All-Crop and 30 hp Jubilee, because that's all he needed to make a living. Edited by CrestonM - 12 Sep 2016 at 11:15pm |
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JayIN
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Posted: 13 Sep 2016 at 9:05am |
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I'm 61. A lot of families around here (Indiana) made a good living on 80 or 160 acres.I sat right next to them in school and they had everything that they needed. We were the bto. My Dad farmed 490 and had 3-400 head of cattle on feed in the late 50's and all thru/ the 60's. (all gone now) It all got big about 1970 around here.
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sometimes I walk out to my shop and look around and think "Who's the idiot that owns this place?"
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jjwo
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Posted: 13 Sep 2016 at 9:43am |
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I remember mom said 80 acres would pay for itself. How different now! |
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Gary Burnett
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Posted: 13 Sep 2016 at 9:57am |
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The previous owner was probably clearing more $$$ per acre than the fella
does now. |
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Allis dave
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Posted: 13 Sep 2016 at 10:09am |
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I bet he was clearing more per acre, but unfortunately I doubt that would be enough to live on now.
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Stan IL&TN
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Posted: 13 Sep 2016 at 10:25am |
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Won't be long before everything is automated and if a problem happens it will auto call for service. You'll be sitting in the office watching with a drone just to keep an eye on what's going on or just driving the fuel truck to each one and giving them a little grease every day. They will run 24/7 even when you are asleep but the green ones will still burst into flames every now and then.
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Gerald J.
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Posted: 13 Sep 2016 at 11:29am |
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The big difference is that the farmer with the 72 harvested 15 acres a day and the BTO with the two combines and buggies and semis harvests 150 acres a day. The farmer with the 72 probably was very happy to get 98 cents a bushel harvesting 120 bushels per acre and the BTO is struggling to pay the taxes and inputs with $3.50 corn harvesting 200 bushels per acre.
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Brian F(IL)
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Posted: 13 Sep 2016 at 1:06pm |
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I'd like to go back to 1970-1972 (just for awhile). Dad's dealership had new One-Ninety's and Two-Twenty's sitting on the lot, got to demonstrate new tractors and moldboard plows, put together new implements and delivered them to anxious farmers, and gas was only about $.35/gallon.
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caledonian
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Posted: 13 Sep 2016 at 4:34pm |
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The difference between then and now is back then you could farm and work for yourself. Today you farm and work for the large companies. It will only get worse. Being independent is on the wane. Cargill, Monsanto, Dupont and other large corporations call the shots.
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Driverdan
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Posted: 13 Sep 2016 at 6:15pm |
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When reminiscing I remember the simple times and hard work. I remember shocking oat and wheat from the binder for threshing. I remember picking up hay bales dropped in the field until it was too dark to see them. I remember loading milk cans into the truck and going to the creamers on my way to high school. (Dad also worked on the railroad and didn't have time to take milk). Yes, there was much work, but still a great time and place to grow up.
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Ray54
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Posted: 13 Sep 2016 at 7:05pm |
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National average corn yield 1970 was 70 bu,not that 150 bu in the better parts of the corn belt was not uncommon. Always remember this from FFA class,as barley was the crop here and we struggle to average 50 bu to acre yet on dry land. Barley is just a little less feed value than corn,and priced less for it.But Calif feeds more grain than we raise so it is Midwest price plus freight which has helped a little. But at today's price no need to go plant barley here.
Yes the good old days made a living on 350 ac of barley and 150 ac safflower and 50 ac of grain hay. |
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Ryan Renko
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Posted: 13 Sep 2016 at 7:49pm |
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steve(ill)
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Posted: 13 Sep 2016 at 8:51pm |
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They will run 24/7 even when you are asleep but the green ones will still burst into flames every now and then.
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Like them all, but love the "B"s.
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ILGLEANER
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Posted: 13 Sep 2016 at 9:28pm |
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Your 100% correct !!!!! |
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Mikez
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Posted: 13 Sep 2016 at 10:54pm |
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I'm only 33 so not that old of memories. Our farm wasn't being used when I was younger and I wanted to farm so when I was about 14 I started growing tomatoes in the glass greenhouse and planting in field, that's what the family farm was from about 1911 to 1984. And they milked tell 1976. I also balled hay, don't remember when I started, then maybe the last 5 years before I got hurt I raised cows, some chickens and few hogs. I wanted to utilize every part of the farm as my family did before me. Now 8 years in chair some of that reminiscing is tuff to swallow lol.
What 14 year old kid now a days would be out picking tomatoes. I look around at the youth and think how sad. |
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Gary Burnett
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Posted: 14 Sep 2016 at 1:43am |
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And why is that? Farmers have willingly traded their independence for Corporate and Gov't money.When you deal with the Devil it shouldn't be a surprise where you end up. |
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shameless (ne)
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Posted: 14 Sep 2016 at 2:34am |
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and don't forget....back then when you worked on the farm, you were a lot healthier too! when I took over dad's farm in the 70's
I had a job in town that paid good! and just couldn't give it up. it was a great job in winter when nothing was going on much on the farm, and a curse at farming time. but it helped pay my way faster thru the farming time. could pay for fuel and seed and equipment at the time needed and didn't hafta borrow as much operating money if any. and that was also a time when insurance was beginning to be a big thing that you had to have! and it got worse thru the years and is still a bad thing, as no one can seem to operate unless there is insurance money or govt money to support them! I stayed in the law enforcement field all thru my farming years for the insurance and the pay. was just a good other kind of insurance for my family! a family can still live and make a lot of money on 80 acres this day and age. in specialty crops/animals or both. the market is still out there, just hafta find it or create it! several local farmers I know that has farmed 1000's of acres thru their life time have now quit all that and planted a specialty crop on 30 acres, rented out the rest and is making just as much if not more off that 30 acres as they did off 2000 acres in the past! have sold their big equipment and are sitting real good with what they are doing now. and don't rely on govt money to help support them! secrets? yes...but they had to learn somewhere, and so can anyone else!
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Gerald J.
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Posted: 14 Sep 2016 at 8:58am |
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Crops require a market to give them value. A super crop without a market has no value. And its best if the market is relatively local.Marketing is as important to the farm bottom line as shopping for seed and fertilizer and growing the crop.
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tadams(OH)
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Posted: 14 Sep 2016 at 1:15pm |
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Everyone wants their children to have it better than they did. Too many kids get married and think they should be able to live like their parents, they don't want to start out low and build up.
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The value of the dollar has a lot to do with crop prices and they manipulate the dollar all the time. And now corn and beans are tied to fuel so that gives it more volatility and exposes it to even more manipulation.
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Stan I feel I need to share this video with you. What you are describing is in the process of happening as we speak. It's sad really. https://youtu.be/T7Os5Okf3OQ |
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Posted: 14 Sep 2016 at 11:31pm |
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And corn and soybean prices in 1972 were higher than they are now... |
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Funny everyone talks about the good old days. But I think alot of people gloss over what life was like. My grandfather farmed the same property I am trying to make a living on now. The farm goes back much further in my family but my grandfather bought alot of land and some was sold off so it is closer to the avg size he farmed now. Anyway my point is he always talked about making a living off the land but he worked from before dawn till dark everyday of his life and he never had spare money any time he got savings he put it right back into the farm. My mother talked about growing up with just a single old radio in the house when she would go to school and everyone else had tv. When I grew up we had a black and white tv in the 80s with no cable. Now a days everyone needs all there toys or modern life electronics. Whatever you want to call them the money for our phone with Internet access in our pocket and our laptop and flat screen TV and the list just goes on and on look around your kitchen bread machine juice machine blender mixer. The point is all this crazy stuff we depend on is income our grandparents didn't have to spend to get by in the good old days. Back then they had one phone in the house that was a shared party line with the neighbors and you got in trouble if you used it as a kid. Now you have to have a phone for everyone to keep in their pocket. My point is people say how life was better back when you could live on x acres and get by independent but we forget the hours they worked the things we have that they didn't and more importantly we also forget that yes my grandfather farmed this land as an independent farmer but when harvest time came he got all the local mom's who didn't have jobs of their own to come and harvest potatoes or whatever crop he was harvesting. He talked about how you could get part time help then for just a simple day rate no benefits or taxes where paid on it back then no insurance. The people who harvested where doing it to earn some extra cash for Christmas presents or their own extra maybe they where saving for a big purchase but it wasn't their living. My point is that isn't how our society works now. Better or worse I am not sure but I think we forget all the new things that are in our lives and how we don't want to give them up. I think about this because I have given up alot or just gotten by with what I had before I moved back here 4 years ago as part of trying to get the farm going and taking care of mom. I don't think many people want to go back to splitting 12 cord of wood to heat the house for the winter or working 12 plus hours everyday and it being physical work not just driving a modern cab tractor with climate control and a smooth ride. I am more healthy since I have been here for sure. The last two years I focused on a garden that provided all the food not only for mom and I but also for my uncle. This summer I had to make sure the place atleast covered the actual bills so I haven't spent all the time the garden took and have focused in clearing more land and haying. I just think most people who say you can't live the life of the past forget what the life their grandparents had was. No you can't live on the same land your parents or grandparents had and still have all your modern stuff they never dreamed of. Now I do agree that some stuff costs more now but I bet a gallon of gas compared to the hourly wage now is alot closer then you would think to what it was in the good old days or at least it is if you add in how much more efficient modern motors are. I guess that is a long winded way of saying we feel we need alot of modern stuff that just wasn't an option for the people in the good old days. Heck yesterday I wanted to cut a bracket for my baler and didn't have a blade for my sawsall so I used a hacksaw and the entire time I thought well this is faster then driving over to town right now to get a blade but man it sucks. Right now I was thinking how my grandfather build this house with a hand saw. He commented that those times where hard and that he often had loans he had no idea how he would pay.
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Gary Burnett
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Dan you make a some good points I grew up on a farm in the 50's and 60's but on the flip side I can now buy equipment for next to nothing we could only dream about then.If a person now is willing to work with 60's 70's and 80's tractors and equipment today they can get some really good stuff for cheap that cost far less of a percentage of income than back in the 50's and 60's. As a whole we in the USA individually and as a country have been living far beyond our means for a long time spending around a Trillion$ a year more then we can afford and the money to make it up basically comes out the thin air from the Federal Reserve.Just like running up credit cards some day the Bell Will Toll and we may look in envy at how our grandparents had it.
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I have those cheap tractors they get expensive fast when you actually use them day after day. There might be good deals out there but I haven't really found them I have ended up spending alot to rebuild them. Just saying unless you are a great mechanic and have the shop and time to fix them these old tractors have probably served someone else well and now need alot of tlc to keep them running.
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Dan73
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I have 5 tractors which fit your description and out of all 5 only 1 actually runs right now and it is the one which has been 100 percent restored and Ironically the cylinders to curl the loader just started leaking by internally so bad I can't use the loader. I need to take them off and get them rebuilt when I get a moment and soon because once snow Flys it has to plow the driveway and I need to clean the barn out again.
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