Difference in Wide Fronts on D17
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Topic: Difference in Wide Fronts on D17
Posted By: AJ
Subject: Difference in Wide Fronts on D17
Date Posted: 22 Feb 2017 at 10:13am
What is the difference between these two front ends? Both tractors are Series-IV   ------------- Can't fix stupid |
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Posted By: DrAllis
Date Posted: 22 Feb 2017 at 10:28am
| The first one ain't a series 4 front end....from an older pre-1960 model. |
Posted By: AJ
Date Posted: 22 Feb 2017 at 11:00am
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Most of the series 4s I see have that first style front end on them. Are people changing these out or something? If so, why? ------------- Can't fix stupid |
Posted By: Acdiesel
Date Posted: 22 Feb 2017 at 11:04am
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SERIES 3 AND 4 HAD THE HEAVER FRONT AXLE. ------------- D19 Diesel,D17 Diesel SER.3 2-D14, 2-D15 SER.II WF/NF D15 SER.2 DIESEL D12 SER.I, D10 Ser.II 2-720'S D21 Ser. II Gmc,caterpillar I'm a pharmacist (farm assist) with a PHD (post hole digger) |
Posted By: DrAllis
Date Posted: 22 Feb 2017 at 12:06pm
| Well, apparently the series 4's you've been looking at were a NF from the Factory. No one in their right mind would ever take a newer WF and swap it for an old WF. |
Posted By: Eldon (WA)
Date Posted: 22 Feb 2017 at 12:12pm
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My SIV hi-clearance has a lighter front end and 5 bolt hubs. It is still different from my early series as the holes are a different spacing. My thinking is they figured the tall spindles were the weak link, so they used the lighter components. ------------- ALLIS EXPRESS! This year: |
Posted By: Eldon (WA)
Date Posted: 22 Feb 2017 at 12:23pm
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D17 SIV hi-clearance w/Series one knees...as you can see only one bolt hole lines up. http://s1249.photobucket.com/user/acstarrfarms/media/11-07-08%20048_zpsaf8rpseu.jpg.html" rel="nofollow">  ------------- ALLIS EXPRESS! This year: |
Posted By: Matt MN
Date Posted: 22 Feb 2017 at 4:21pm
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The heavier wide front was introduced in the late Series II about SN 38xxx. They still used 5 bolt hubs until some time into Series IV. ------------- Unless your are the lead horse the scenery never changes!! |
Posted By: Mike Kroupa
Date Posted: 22 Feb 2017 at 7:59pm
[URL=http://s242.photobucket.com/user/mwkroupa/media/D-17IV.jpg.html] [/URL My question is does my tractor have the correct wide front? I bought this tractor in 07 from the original owner @ his retirement sale. It was a narrow front and he sold this wide front separate which I purchased and installed. My 17 is ser.#83999,1966 model. Both the narrow front and the wide one originally had 5 bolt hubs, but I changed them to 6 bolt when I installed the new front wheels. Thanks, Mike |
Posted By: SteveM C/IL
Date Posted: 22 Feb 2017 at 8:47pm
| Looks right to me Mike.The earlier ones had a flat bar in horse shoe shape and the rear mount bracket was a flat plate.Probably see it in parts book.(agcopartsbooks.com) |
Posted By: DSeries4
Date Posted: 22 Feb 2017 at 9:02pm
Neither of these front ends are correct for a Series 4. ------------- '49 G, '54 WD45, '55 CA, '56 WD45D, '57 WD45, '58 D14, '59 D14, '60 D14, '61 D15D, '66 D15II, '66 D21II, '67 D17IV, '67 D17IVD, '67 190XTD, '73 620, '76 185, '77 175, '84 8030, '85 6080 |
AJ wrote:Posted By: Ted J
Date Posted: 23 Feb 2017 at 7:59am
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Well Myron, where's the pics of the correct ones? Thanks! ------------- "Allis-Express" 19?? WC / 1941 C / 1952 CA / 1956 WD45 / 1957 WD45 / 1958 D-17 |
Posted By: Lonn
Date Posted: 23 Feb 2017 at 8:04am
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Why are there adjustment holes only on one side of that heavier Axle that AJ posted? ------------- -- --- .... .- -- -- .- -.. / .-- .- ... / .- / -- ..- .-. -.. . .-. .. -. --. / -.-. .... .. .-.. -.. / .-. .- .--. .. ... - Wink I am a Russian Bot |
Posted By: AJ
Date Posted: 23 Feb 2017 at 8:10am
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Myron, I can tell you the one I have (uglier of the two) is an original tractor. I have lost count how many Series 4 d17s have the other version of front axle. Lonn, my axle has the adjusting holes that go to one side. Theere are the same holes on the back side of the axle for the other side to adjust the right side. ------------- Can't fix stupid |
Posted By: Acdiesel
Date Posted: 23 Feb 2017 at 8:31pm
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industrial front axle?? ------------- D19 Diesel,D17 Diesel SER.3 2-D14, 2-D15 SER.II WF/NF D15 SER.2 DIESEL D12 SER.I, D10 Ser.II 2-720'S D21 Ser. II Gmc,caterpillar I'm a pharmacist (farm assist) with a PHD (post hole digger) |
Posted By: DSeries4
Date Posted: 23 Feb 2017 at 9:22pm
Ted and AJ, since you asked... My 1967 IV gas. Note the thick wish bone. Tractor was original when we bought it. http://s526.photobucket.com/user/szalmyr/media/67%20D17/DSC00647.jpg.html" rel="nofollow">  Front view... http://s526.photobucket.com/user/szalmyr/media/67%20D17/DSC00662_zpsydjvvjps.jpg.html" rel="nofollow">  My 67 IV diesel. Same thick wish bone - just longer. Front view looks the same as above. http://s526.photobucket.com/user/szalmyr/media/D17D/DSC02799_zpsc6538065.jpg.html" rel="nofollow">  A 1965 IV gas that I pulled out of a barnyard several years ago. It don't get much more original than that. Same thick wishbone. http://s526.photobucket.com/user/szalmyr/media/DSC01295.jpg.html" rel="nofollow">  Neighbor's 100% untouched original Series III diesel. Stayed on one farm its entire life. http://s526.photobucket.com/user/szalmyr/media/DSC00926.jpg.html" rel="nofollow">  Another neighbor's Series III gas. One owner tractor and all original. http://s526.photobucket.com/user/szalmyr/media/DSC00946.jpg.html" rel="nofollow">  Another IV diesel from an AC collector's auction 8 or 9 years ago. Same thick wish bone. http://s526.photobucket.com/user/szalmyr/media/Murray%20Auction/DSC01568.jpg.html" rel="nofollow">  Same auction. Pre-Series III diesel (ignore the decal). You can see the thinner wish bone. http://s526.photobucket.com/user/szalmyr/media/Murray%20Auction/DSC01567.jpg.html" rel="nofollow">  2009 GOTO in Milton Ontario. Early D17 with thin wish bone. http://s526.photobucket.com/user/szalmyr/media/Milton%20GOTO/DSC01071_zpsva5jdn5s.jpg.html" rel="nofollow">  I think I have proven my point. Based on what I have seen, the thicker wish bone started on late Series II models and continued into the 170s and early 175s. ------------- '49 G, '54 WD45, '55 CA, '56 WD45D, '57 WD45, '58 D14, '59 D14, '60 D14, '61 D15D, '66 D15II, '66 D21II, '67 D17IV, '67 D17IVD, '67 190XTD, '73 620, '76 185, '77 175, '84 8030, '85 6080 |
Posted By: PeaRidge180
Date Posted: 23 Feb 2017 at 10:23pm
| Would the wide front from a D17 fit on a 180? Was it lighter? |
Posted By: AJ
Date Posted: 23 Feb 2017 at 10:29pm
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I appreciate the pictures Myron and the tractor looks awesome but it doesn't answer my question on the difference of front ends. I'm not saying either is wrong or right just want to know what the difference is. Like you, I bought mine from original owner. Mine is original. I just didn't know if there were different options or what on front ends and if so what's the difference. ------------- Can't fix stupid |
Posted By: AJ
Date Posted: 24 Feb 2017 at 9:58am
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Think I found the answer guys. There are 10 different wide front ends that were available for the series 4 D17 according to Agco's site. Variances between diesel and gas. ------------- Can't fix stupid |
Posted By: DrAllis
Date Posted: 24 Feb 2017 at 10:08am
| That ugly front axle appears to me to possibly be a narrow tread option. The adjustment bolts on the RH side are in backwards with the nuts on the rear instead of the front. Wheel treads of possibly 50 inches?? with the narrowed version. Yes, the diesel axle is about 3 inches longer underneath the engine versus a gas. |
Posted By: AJ
Date Posted: 24 Feb 2017 at 10:17am
It will be changed Doc. I think its is ugly as sin! ------------- Can't fix stupid |
Posted By: DSeries4
Date Posted: 24 Feb 2017 at 9:35pm
No. Too short. A 190 front axle would be a good fit for a 180. ------------- '49 G, '54 WD45, '55 CA, '56 WD45D, '57 WD45, '58 D14, '59 D14, '60 D14, '61 D15D, '66 D15II, '66 D21II, '67 D17IV, '67 D17IVD, '67 190XTD, '73 620, '76 185, '77 175, '84 8030, '85 6080 |