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smallfarmer83 
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Posted: 04 Oct 2012 at 9:45pm |
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Looking at different 70XX and 80XX series and which tranny does everyone prefer ? And why would you pick a P/S over a P/D or vica-versa Is there a certain year or serial number to stay away from ? Would be my primary tillage tractor, grain cart tractor, and planter tractor. Just haven't been around these tractor much. TIA.
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SteveM C/IL
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Posted: 04 Oct 2012 at 10:06pm |
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never been around a PS and have an 8070 w/PD which I think is fine. Hay and loader work would probably lean towards PS.There are fewer speeds in the "working" range on PS than PD. Between the high-low of the PD and the high-low of the range trans you can pick about any speed in the 3-8mph range to suit you. If you're pulling loaded wagons .... PS would be nice.
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Posted: 04 Oct 2012 at 10:43pm |
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I like my Power Director tractors. The Power Shift would be nice though when you need to shift under a load. I shift gears on my 7060 PD in the field under a load very occasional. It is possible but very hard on things. My vote for you is power shift.
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Dave in il
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Posted: 04 Oct 2012 at 11:12pm |
I have had 3 7060's and a 7080 with powerdirectors and never had any transmission problems. I still have a 1975 7060 I bought in 1984.
I also have an 8050 and an 8070 both are powershifts with MFD and so far no transmission problems.
The 8050 used to be my primary tillage tractor until I bought the 8070 last year. Now it has replaced the 7060 as my planter tractor and I'd never go back, the powershift is so convenient when manuvering the 16 row planter around.
For doing tillage I could easily live with either transmission.
We used to run an auger cart with the 7060 and then we got a larger cart and pulled it with the neighbors 8200 Deere powershift and now we use the 8070. The powershift is definately the winner for that job.
Pulling wagons, to me it doesn't make that much difference. Yes it nice to start in a lower gear and upshift on the go but it's not a big deal. Truth is I try to avoid using wagons as much as possible anyway, we've gotten spoiled with trucks and tractors and wagons are a pita no matter what transmission you have.
I've been told a powershift is great for loader work but I don't have one with a loader so I don't know.
The downside to a powershift (so I've been told) is that some parts are NLA and they're a bit expensive to fix.
Of course all these tractor are getting old so it's the luck of the draw if you get a good one or one that has had a hard life.
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Posted: 05 Oct 2012 at 8:54am |
We have both P/S and P/D trans in 6 7000 series tractors 7030 and up. The P/D is really the best for finding the exact speed/RPM combination you want for things like PTO work. The P/S is really nice for big loads starting out slow, and getting faster. We have had our big Dual loader on both a 7060 P/D and 7060 P/S, and frankly I don't really have a preference. Most of our loader work is fairly close quarters, then long drives. Either way we do a ton of shifting, and not a lot of speed changes while working, just direction changes, (We mostly feed a tub grinder)
Fact is either tractor will wear out, the hard gears themselves not so much, but the P/D still has a clutch pack, and with enough shifts they wear. I like the P/S slightly more for ease of shifting, but we put, or at least did put thousands of hours on these tractors, and they held up well, we only had to rebuild the P/S twice, once was because we were in the rear end already, and dad wanted to go through the P/S, now it needs it again, because we have actually worn it out. The P/D on two of our tractors need rebuilding too, but one is now the loader tractor, and the other the baler tractor. Again these are tractors used for custom work, and have probably 15K-20K hours on them, naturally the tachs no longer work so it's a guess.
Bottom line, they are bullet proof in my opinion, and have never broken on us, just worn out from our high amount of use.
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Amos
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Posted: 05 Oct 2012 at 2:51pm |
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We have had 8030 and have 8010 fwa ps. I think both tractors the transmission really seemed to take a lot of power away. I have a 8030 pd now and it seems to pull a mph faster than the ps. I plant and bale with the 8030 and really like it. I did pull my 20' drill with the 8010 ps and really like the way it drops from 6th to 4th when you clutch it, great for turning and lifting the drill at the end of the rows. I have not had to fix anything other than torque limiters so far in them, other than a clutch cable that was giving grief on the 8030 fwa. I like the pd better for pulling with than the ps.
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Posted: 05 Oct 2012 at 4:20pm |
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I have run both power director and power shift. for planting and grain cart the power shift is the best choice and for heavy tillage i like the power director now with that being said power shift does work nice for heavy tillage just not as many gear selections. Also we have a 7080 with power director and a floor shift lever and an 8070 with power shift both with westendorf loaders and i must say i like the 7080 power director for pushing snow and stuff much better than the power shift since i can use my left hand to shift when going forward to reverse and my right hand to run the loader much easier than the power shift lever since the hydraulic levers being mounted on the right side same as power shift lever. also i love the foot throttle on the 7080 since the 8070 only has hand throttle so i don't have to run the tractor at a constant high rpm while pushing snow. just my 2 cents worth
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AC 426 power
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Posted: 05 Oct 2012 at 11:23pm |
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I got a 1976 7060 powershift i like it because its on a consul never cared for the PD in the early 7000 series because of the old shifter in the center and on the later ones with the twist shifter but on the 8000 series there in the same location with them it depends on weather you want more powershifts or simply more gears
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Posted: 07 Oct 2012 at 10:09pm |
From what I heard, the early PS had growing pains due to linkage and valve bodies, but once it hit black belly, I heard all was well.
the one thing I like about the power director is that on the maroon bellies with the stick in the floor, we can speed shift them like the semi. we dont run a grain cart, but this may work good for that. obviously the PS will be a better cart unit.
If it says anything, we dont have any broken PD units, but have a 7060 maroon that the PS is out. also have a 7020 that looks like it had a maroon belly PS swapped in, and finally a 7060 black that might have an issue. it has engine issues and sat for 10 years, so an oil and filter change and proper fluid levels will tell us for sure.
The 7060 maroon was a well abused tractor, so I am guessing the operator had much to do with it.
they are both awesome and wont attempt to snap your neck like any offering from JD, so whatever you choose will serve you well. plus, Allis' are so affordable, you can get one of each to make sure! :)
good luck!
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Posted: 07 Oct 2012 at 10:12pm |
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Your last statement is so true lol
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