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Posted: 27 Oct 2017 at 4:32pm |
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I'm restoring my one-sixty and would like to install power adjust rear wheels. Did they use the same centers as any other tractor with 28" wheels or were they a different design? I'm not sure if that part of the tractor originated with Renault or Allis Chalmers.
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Posted: 27 Oct 2017 at 4:49pm |
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160, 170/175, 180/185 all had the 4 bar spin out 28's Same base hub center as on most Allis.
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Posted: 27 Oct 2017 at 5:02pm |
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Posted: 27 Oct 2017 at 9:17pm |
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160, 170/175, 180/185 all had the 4 bar spin out 28's Same base hub center as on most Allis. |
The 160 was the only tractor not made at West Allis. It was an existing tractor made in France by Renault. Even though the wheel centers look the same, the hub diameter and bolt spacing may be different - so they will not interchange. I ran into this problem a couple of years ago when I took a wheel center from an Allis (Fiat) 5050 and tried to put it on my 175. I quickly found out that metric and imperial measurements are not the same!
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Posted: 28 Oct 2017 at 4:46am |
Yeah, them metric rims can look almost like sae. My D-10 III has farmall centers, that bolt up nice, to the axle, but I hadda burn 1/16" offa the outer edge of the 4 mounting holes, on the centers, to make the british leyland (asian) 4 loop rims, to make the 2 parts mate... 
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Posted: 28 Oct 2017 at 7:04am |
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^That's what I was afraid of. Looks like I have some measurements to take and a little more research to do.
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Posted: 28 Oct 2017 at 12:13pm |
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According to AGCOPARTS.COM the p/n for a 28 inch power shift wheel is 70255454. That is the same p/n for a 160 or a 170.....go figure.
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Posted: 28 Oct 2017 at 3:55pm |
DrAllis wrote:
According to AGCOPARTS.COM the p/n for a 28 inch power shift wheel is 70255454. That is the same p/n for a 160 or a 170.....go figure. |
I just did a little extra digging and that same part number is also common to the D17 28" wheel. This might be a little easier than I was beginning to think. I'll see what the tape measure tells me when I make it up to the shop tomorrow afternoon.
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Posted: 28 Oct 2017 at 4:52pm |
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A D-17 series 3 and newer is the same as a 160-170. Older D-17's are like a WD/WD45.
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Posted: 28 Oct 2017 at 4:54pm |
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What is the difference in the series 3 and and newer vs the earlier ones?
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Posted: 28 Oct 2017 at 5:24pm |
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Like my post said, they are the same as a WD/WD45. The centers and rail clamps are the old eccentric type. Series 3 and 4 are different.
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Posted: 28 Oct 2017 at 8:44pm |
DSeries4 wrote:
DMiller wrote:
160, 170/175, 180/185 all had the 4 bar spin out 28's Same base hub center as on most Allis. |
The 160 was the only tractor not made at West Allis. It was an existing tractor made in France by Renault. Even though the wheel centers look the same, the hub diameter and bolt spacing may be different - so they will not interchange.
I ran into this problem a couple of years ago when I took a wheel center from an Allis (Fiat) 5050 and tried to put it on my 175. I quickly found out that metric and imperial measurements are not the same!
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All 3 of my 160's have the 6 bolt front wheels and 8 on 8 rears, the cheaper ones may be different...I have interchanged them with other tractors many times. They will take any standard 8 on 8 wheel, the straight axle does not have any interference problems like the final drives of the 185 and smaller AC's. I have seen several 160's with the old style eccentric centers on them, but they were probably changed by previous owners over the years...they will work, but the correct police may shame you 
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Posted: 28 Oct 2017 at 8:59pm |
I'm going to try to find the newer style since I'm a little OCD about stuff like that and I think they look more "correct" on the 100 series tractor.
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Posted: 29 Oct 2017 at 2:15pm |
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We sold a few 160's the first ones had a wheel center like the WD's with the eccentric lock. That wheel center is different from the wedge type like the later models on 28" wheels. They will interchange on the axle as a lot of 160 measurements are in "s. The two centers can be identified by a radius on the outside edge and a flat area for the wedge locks to bolt with the two attaching bolts. 160's were also made in LCG or low centers of gravity with 18.4-16.1 R3 tires and a non power shift wheel. The units were Basic (cheap - no power steering and had 4 bolt front wheels) and standard (PS and 5 bolt front wheels. ) oh and the cheap one did not have seat suspension - a painful discovery that lead to not many of Le' tracteur bon marché being reordered..
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Posted: 29 Oct 2017 at 3:58pm |
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I didn't know some of 160's had the wedge locks like Tbran says. Mine has the eccentric.
I have a set of spare tire and wheels, maybe Oliver, American for sure, they fit fine. I don't think you have to worry about a metric hub here.
The last permutation of the 160 was the 6040. It had only 14.9-28 tires and the
eccentric locks, if the parts book is correct.
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Posted: 29 Oct 2017 at 5:37pm |
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Have a set from a 160, appears the border around the 8 bolt pattern is flat compared to a D17
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Posted: 29 Oct 2017 at 11:33pm |
tbran wrote:
We sold a few 160's the first ones had a wheel center like the WD's with the eccentric lock. That wheel center is different from the wedge type like the later models on 28" wheels. They will interchange on the axle as a lot of 160 measurements are in "s. The two centers can be identified by a radius on the outside edge and a flat area for the wedge locks to bolt with the two attaching bolts. 160's were also made in LCG or low centers of gravity with 18.4-16.1 R3 tires and a non power shift wheel. The units were Basic (cheap - no power steering and had 4 bolt front wheels) and standard (PS and 5 bolt front wheels. ) oh and the cheap one did not have seat suspension - a painful discovery that lead to not many of Le' tracteur bon marché being reordered.. |
I have 3 of the standard models, a high clearance, normal and LCG. All have 6 bolt front hubs.
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Posted: 30 Oct 2017 at 6:26am |
I had tire go bad on 160, never gave it any thought picked up spare off a wd and bolted it on. I don't like the square bolt on the 160 eccentric. After 40 years its not square anymore whenever I have time am going to swap out the other side. Its been on there a couple of years if its wrong I can't tell the difference. If the correct police ever show up and look around I'll probably get the electric chair.
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