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    Posted: 16 Jul 2011 at 7:36pm
I am wanting to finally start planting my own soybeans and corn and am wondering what everyone recomends for a good used planter.  I will have to stick to a 6 row 30 inch planter as that matches my hired harvesters combine head.  (do not want a 12 row)  What do you guys recomend?  I've reasearched some of the air planters but not sure my WD45 would enjoy pulling one of them do to hydrolic issues, i've heard of pto powered ones though.  (also this is all flat ground so weight of planter not a big issue, 45 is loaded)  Also should mention i want the planter to be conventional, will not have a tractor big enough to pull a no-till.  So i think i'm leaning towords a ground driven planter.  Unfortunatly i've rarley seen an allis chalmers planter in my neighborhood which is funny because we have 3 agco dealers each within 15 miles of the farm.  I'm open to any brand and any input is appreciated, thanks!  Also dry fertilizer and herbicide boxes would be nice to have on the planter. 
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I don't know but I'd guess your hydraulics might have trouble lifting a 6 row full of fertilizer. I hire the elevator to broadcast my fertilizer and they do the spraying so I took the herbicide of my Allis planter and it never had fertilizer.
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JD 7000 series.  They go fine behind allis's been running them for 20 years with no major issues.  Parts are easy to come by aftermarket and are easy to work on.  Matter of fact we have one with interplants for beans and another for corn set up "normal".  In my opinion the finger pick ups are the way to go.  Unless you are a big fish and have a big planter with the single central fill air is just a nightmare waiting to happen.  The finger pick ups can give you a picket fence stand. 
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You can get a 6 row IH 56 too.  Ground driven, mechanical markers so no complicated hydraulics.  Just a simple up and down lift cylinder.  I've planted all my corn with a 4 row IH 56 and its done a great job for the last few years.  Best part is they can be had so cheap.  I got mine for free and bought a parts planter for $250.
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I would say a 7000 Deere or a Kinze. Some others you might find would be a New Idea or Black Machine. An IH 800 or better yet 900 Cyclo with a pto hydraulic pump might work and would be cheaper than the Deere. Convetional tillage is a little more forgiving but avoid older planters with a big old rubber tired press wheel. Those are ok for a few acres of sweet corn or I use one for a one row replant planter, but stick with double disc openers and newer (1970s at least) furrow closing and seed firming technology, not to mention finger pickup or air seed metering.
Planting is the most important job a farmer does, so a good planter is the most important piece of equipment you need. If you start the year with a poor stand you can't fix it later and it will cost you money no matter what else you do the rest of the year. Buy a good planter, keep in a shed or at least under a tarp and keep it in good shape
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Guys he's looking for a planter to pull with a WD45, I think the 7000 series deere, while great planters, might be a tad much for that 'ol girl.
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Not at all, WD45 would pull a 6 row 7000 just fine unless you wanted starter fertillizer or no till coulters on it. The hydraulics will be slow but should work. He doesn't say how many acres he's going to plant but a "better" planter than you think you need is money well spent. There are plenty of 6 row planter from the 70's and 80's still around and they can be bought fairley cheap.

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Guys thanks for the help this site is amazing!  The 45 was just overhauled and has the d17 kit in it, i'll be planting a small test field this first year to test my skills with a planter but will expand to a little over 100 acres if all goes well.  I posted this on a few other sites and it seems the john deere 7000 may be the ticket.  For those that are still reading this i'd still like to hear some more opionions if you have them, thanks! 
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I think the wd45 would handle the 6 row 7000 unless steep hills. I planted with d17 and 6 row jd 7000 for years. it is a great planter and does a great job. Have a 12 row Kinze now
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We pulled our JD 7000 6 row with a 7060, while it didn't even know it was there on flat ground, there is now way it will lift the planter.  Are you all thinking pull type maybe?

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HD7 WC C CA WD 2-WD45 WD45LP WD45D D14 3-D17 D17LP 2-D19D D19LP 190XTD 190XTLP 720 D21 220 7020 7030 7040 7045 3-7060
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Hey D- allis iowa     How do you like you Kinze?   What model? Fold type?  Might have more questions later.
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i have an 8-row wide 3 pt AC planter with hyd markers that i mount on my 180D, handles it just fine! it used to be 8-30's and i changed it to 8-38's, now i have to change it back to 30 in rows, or i might change it back to 6-30's. i've had JD, buffalo,IH, kinze, and AC planters, always go back to the AC planter as it always works, and is accurate and simple! the worst was the JD planter...high upkeep and not so accurate! the buffalo was good, but was way to heavy in the hills! the kinze, one row kept messing up, and no one could fix the problem! it's new owner can't make it work either!
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Vic we like the Kinze and it does a great job. It is 12 row with inter plants for 15 in soybeans. The 7000 Jd will do as good at planting in my opinoin if the ground is worked. We no till a lot and the kinze is better for that in my opinion. In soybeans with the 7000, get Kinze plates for it. As far as hydrolics it will lift it. We used our WD to raise wagons of corn with no problen and that is much heavier than the 6 row. I really loved the 7000.
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What about a John Deere 1240? They made a lot of them and they also share many parts with the popular 494. I know they are an older model but you can pick one up fairly cheap.
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Wasn't the 1240 the first finger pickup? I had a 4 row i bought new and had lots of problems with fingers. I was hooking fingers and springs together when i should have been planting. The 494 was a great plate type planter.
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A friend of mine pulls an 8r30 Deere pulltype with a D17 IV.
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You could get the 1240 in either plate or plateless models. They were the first JD plateless planters.
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I would get a Kinze. I took a deep 5/8 socket and cut out grooves in the sides I can turn the corn meter with an inch pound torque wrench. I set the rolling drag of the fingers at about 18 inch lbs and it does me proud ever year. I also like the Kinze bean meters. The brushes hold the seed tight against the seed disk and then the seed is dropped and spaced perfect. It is a simple ground driven planter.
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JD 1240 a good planter, never planted beans with it, only trouble I have with mine is the stainless steel band thats inside the unit, have'ta replace it every 6 or 7 years, my dealer keeps'em in stock, never had trouble with the fingers or springs
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