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    Posted: 03 Jan 2021 at 9:46pm
Finally, finally got a torch setup with cart the other day, no tanks.

What's the best way to get the oxygen and Acetylene tanks?

Buy the tanks and pay to have them filled?

Lease the tanks and have them filled? I'm assuming you pay the lease and pay to fill, but leasing must be cheaper than buying?

I would think a set of tanks would last a hobbyist like me quite awhile.

Suggestions I've gotten are: Airgas, Mississippi Welders Supply, Advance Auto Parts. And I see Fleet farm has an exchange program, just like propane?

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I think a lot of it depends on what State, and what your SUPPLIER normally does.. Call a couple and check.

I have a CO2 tank for wire feed welding.. Tanks come from ILL- MO... but i just trade/ switch at the local Farm Store... Ill- Mo is 40 miles away.


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buy 
look for used, just make sure you're not buying leased tanks

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i bought my tanks, then i have to pay a refill/exchange charge. i got a title with mine. i think as long as you have a title on the tanks you can have them exchanged/refilled anywhere they do it. i have heard of some folks getting turned down because of no proof of ownership, usually meaning but not always being stolen tanks.  
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Never every buy large commercial size tanks w/o a title from a gas company. No one will fill them for you without it.

Some gas companies will even give you grief refilling small bottles w/o purchase documentation from a gas company.
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I dont know where you are but I go to A Kalmerton welding supplies. I just get ox and use propane instead of acetylene, I dont use it for welding just cutting and heating things up.
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 When I was still gettin paid for workin,,,,,I "found" an old fire extenguisher tank and had it pressure tested and certified by local Airgas and have had it refilled with Co2 for my mig welder. They stamped "Private" and current date tested but now,,I have no idea where that tank might be as I never got MY tank back after a refill. They DO have record of the transaction,,but I figure there will some day be a question of ownership,,,,,,,,
 Also, back bout 4-5 years ago,,when acetyleene started gettin VERY expensive around here, I started using a new style propane tank for the cutting torch and bought the special tip for my cutting torch and saved a lot of dollars using propane instead of acetyleen,,,,ClapClap
 A word of caution on buying your own bottles, you see them smaller bottles for sale at flea markets and yard sales, unless you have prior SIGNED agreements from the suppliers to fill em,,you best pass on that set. Some suppliers are very picky bout whose bottles or which bottles they will fill,,,,,!!
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I returned my leased cylinders 2.5 decades ago as it cost me more in lease fees than the gas I wasn't using... lease was more $$ ,but simple ,fast in/out exchange. buy is cheaper BUT cyls have to be date checked/tested/filled... then you can go home....
so a lot depends on how much you WILL use them.
Up here TSC have exchange bottle programs for O+A as well as 'mig gases'... maybe check if they do in your neck of the woods ?

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I own and exchange mine through Matheson. They gave me grief over the acetylene recently as there was no label on the tank to identify gas type even though I have titles. Would not refill.
I would check with your supplier of choice and get the rules first before deciding which route to take.
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I've only exchanged my oxygen tank.There's a little Mom and Pop hardware store in town.  I just drop the old tank and they sell me a new full one.  They have never asked about owner or lease of the tanks.
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Thanks for all the replies. Between what I read here, and talking to a co-worker, I think propane is definitely the way to go. Working on all this old farm equipment, I only ever heat and cut, I'm not much for brazing.

Think I'll swing by Mississippi Welders and see what they have for oxygen tanks.

You need a different cutting tip if you run propane?

Why can't you braze with propane?

Thanks.
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 Yes,,Littlemarv,,you do need a special tip for propane but not expensive ,,like bout $6 if I remember right. Some people say you don't get the same cutting ability of actelyene, but I've never noticed the difference,,,,,,BTU value I supposs. I've never tried brazing but the brass does not KNOW what kind of gas you're using to melt it,,,????
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  I dont remember if you cant weld with propane or if it just doesnt work well, I thought you could braze though. You do need a propane tip. I have an old Dockson set witth a rosebud tip I just use for heating things.

  I just use a standard BBQ propane tank as well.


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My big propane tank is owned by the gas co. and when they come fill it, I  ask them to fill my other tanks at the same time, and I've never had a problem.

I guess it depends on how much you plan on using it? If you're gonna be using it day in and day out, maybe leasing the tank or whatever deal they have in your area, makes sense, otherwise I'd buy used. FB Marketplace is a good place to look, least round here.
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USED to be able to Lifetime Lease here, required a two year hydro test on tanks, but as rotate tanks non issue, just get the two year bill in the mail.  Could Buy tanks on a Exchange Program(Similar to Lifetime Lease) but if missed the two year hydro test could dump the ability to exchange bottles without a maintenance purchase agreement.

Small tanks as buy for plumbing belong to user company, gas suppliers do NOT have to honor any exchange programs on them and can decline to refill if not Hydro tested and validated.  Larger tanks again BY FEDERAL LAW must remain property of supplier.  If there is a Name on the ring around the Valve head, that tank remains their property until destroyed.

Is a Stamped into the tank Hydro Date and Code for testing supplier, that gets checked by reputable gas suppliers at each refill, they go out of date good luck getting refilled.
Large LPG Tanks(over 125 gallon) here MUST be leased, can purchase the smaller sizes but again, the Hydro Test Date is a No Sale point.  Older Owned Large tanks are basically junk as few gas suppliers will refill after been moved or no pedigree paperwork.
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I think I now have 12 tanks that I own - son has 3 or 4 of his own - Had 3 different suppliers I was using but now Mississippi Welding does all the filling and testing on mine and My NAME is painted onto tanks so exchange my own . 
 One outfit I bought my tanks from started sending me a bill for a testing charge each year even though they exchanged tanks when filling - bring in mine and they would just take a filled tank and exchange with mine . 
 Propylene or MAP gas costs less than Acetylene now but requires a different tip on cutting torch (propane tip). I use mostly propane as seldom gas weld any more - in fact with TIG welder it's more controlled .
 I converted several old CO2 fire bottle valves over to storage for oxygen, Argon, Tri-Gas so have a supply if and when I move welder without moving the 312/322 capacity bottles around . 
 Neighbor use to cut old rail cars up and he would go through 20 or so 322 bottles of oxygen a week - I got bottles from him and made a jumper hose to refill my 122 bottles from large ones as he paid $5 a bottle for content .
 Mississippi I believe charged $12 to recertify and test bottles and is a 5 year date stamp. 
   
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I exchange my at a welding shop and I believe that I paid a fee with each exchange for tank inspection but I don't go though that much gas maybe a tank a year if that so I don't think it is out of line to paid for the inspection. 
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I bought my tanks years ago from the local NAPA store . when it goes dry, I simply take it back and they exchange it for a full tank. Paperwork is in the fileing cabinet.
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Check these guys out. They sell everything welding related at competitive prices.
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Well, here's what I come up with on tanks. A quick search for used tanks turned up nothing.
 
Mississippi Welders is about my only choice without driving a ways. Apparently both Advance Auto parts and Napa used to handle them, but don't any more.
 
Called Mississippi Welders today. They lease large tanks, and sell small ones.
His definition of large was "about 4 feet tall"
Small was "three feet or so"
 
A five year lease on a large tank is $135, and $46 to fill.
 
You can purchase a small tank for $175, and $30 to fill.
 
There was something mentioned about a maintenance fee of $19 every five years, but I'm not sure if that was for one, or the other, or both.
 
Dug an extra propane tank out and plunked it in the cart. Of course the cart is made for tall skinny tanks, so I will have to modify that.
 
The larger tank is a little easier on the wallet, but the smaller tank might be the way to go,  mainly because I will probably be hauling it in my truck quite a bit, and with a smaller tank, it will be easier to lift, and fit under the topper.
 
 
Guess I'll be calling them back, and ask if I can lease a small tank.
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If you are CUTTING, it takes a lot of oxygen... Keep that in mind when buying SMALL.
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here I own a set of oxy and acty tanks, Praxair is the main Co. that fills them, there are dealers around(mostly welding, hardware type stores), all i do is take my owned empty bottles in and exchange for full ones for cost of the gas,, they prolly have a surcharge or something to cover bottle tests...oh yea,, I also lease a set for the portable welder,,, but kinda the same thing,, exchange empty for full,, but gotta yearly bill from Praxair, its like $120 for actyand oxy + a bottle for the mig...


using propane for gas will use more oxygen,,,I'm thinking because of lower BTU's than acytelene,,,(takes longer for metal to reach tempature to cut) you might look into MAPP gas for the fuel gas too,, but only recommended for cutting and heating, jus like the propane..then again,,, its another bottle to rent or buy,, so might as well go with the propane
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I bought my setup from Mississippi Valley Welders YEARS ago.  I use MAPP gas and oxy.  YES, you can weld with it and it is great for cutting and it's a lot cheaper than acetylene and burns hotter.  You can't go wrong buying your own setup.
My FIL worked for a welding fabrication outfit for 50 some years and he taught me how to weld without a rod of any kind.  99% of the time though I'd braze with it.  You could even get aluminum rods to weld with.  I never tried it, but heard from a lot of guys that liked it. 
I haven't gone to MVW now for a few years, as I loaned my setup to my son.....I'll have to ask him about it and get it back.  Anyhow,,,,,,,,,
Even though I owned the tanks, all I had to do was take them in and they'd swap them out and back then, I didn't have to pay any fees or anything, just pay for the refill.
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I haven't gone to MVW now for a few years, as I loaned my setup to my son.....I'll have to ask him about it and get it back.

Ted, my son has a HECK of a set of tools... I keep telling him, 20 years ago, I HAD A SET JUST LIKE THAT !!    Wink   Big smile
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I see where you're coming from Steve!!  I have the same problem!  Cry Ouch
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