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Larry W. 
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Posted: 27 May 2014 at 1:12pm |
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Hey guys, Im looking for opinions and thoughts. I am going to upgrade from my IH s1900 that i currently pull my trailer with. I found a Freightliner 112 with a cat C10 motor and a 9 speed. Truck has higher miles but its been very well maintained, motor has 200,000 on a overhaul. What are some thoughts on the C10, are they a good engine? Thanks
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Posted: 27 May 2014 at 1:54pm |
So you have a DT 466 now and want to go to Cat C 10 ? Seems the 466 is a good motor also - might be better off doing some upgrades on present motor. Look at transmission change for the IH
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Larry W.
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Posted: 27 May 2014 at 2:22pm |
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Our truck has hyd. Brakes, and is getting rusty and needing a fair amount of work. The Freightliner is a lil longer wheelbase, it was a tandem they changed to single rear axle, but it still has the semi fifth wheel, so this truck gives me more trailer options, like a small corn hopper, or enclosed van for the pulling tractors. And I like the 9 speed better then the 6+1 the IH has.
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Posted: 27 May 2014 at 2:23pm |
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The biggest issue on C10 and C12s they were prone to have cam followers go bad and take out the cam and head gaskets leaking water in oil, seemed like every 5-600k wed put head gaskets on and change followers whether they bad or not just to prevent future failure. Other than that they are a good little engine. If that one has been OH in the last 200k then you should be good for awhile.
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Posted: 27 May 2014 at 9:47pm |
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We run two freightliners with C12, both have over 800,000 + miles, did have one with a bad cam follower about 3 years ago. We put about 25k on them a year. Other then that good engine.
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Posted: 27 May 2014 at 9:51pm |
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Cat C10 is a throw away motor...I would rather have a DT 466 with a million miles on it...stay away
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Posted: 27 May 2014 at 9:51pm |
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Work on C-10s and 12s quite a bit. 3 common problems- water pump leaks coolant into oil, headgasket leaks coolant into oil, and cam followers go bad. Get those three out of the way and they are a fine engine.
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Posted: 28 May 2014 at 5:37am |
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Cat C10-C11-C12-C13 are wet sleeve engines and certainly NOT a "throw-away" engine. They also are bigger than a DT466 as they start at 629 cubes and get bigger from there. Compare to an L-10 and M-11 Cummins.
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Posted: 28 May 2014 at 6:37am |
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Dr.....the L10 and M11 were junk in my opinion too. When cat went to the acert motors they started manufacturing junk. I actually had a Peterbilt dealer tell me he would not sell me a truck with a cat acert motor in it. He knew after running Cummins isx motors that I would not be happy. Look at the resale value of any truck with an acert motor compared to an isx or ism..usually 15 to 20 grand difference.
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Posted: 28 May 2014 at 6:41am |
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Well my friend, a Cat C-10 is a bit prior to the Acert generation, and actually came from the 3176 series. You didn't defend your claim of "throw-away" engine, which was definitely wrong. I can see you and I will agree on very little here. Have a nice day.
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Posted: 29 May 2014 at 2:37pm |
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Posted: 29 May 2014 at 5:18pm |
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Guys, is there a line of C12 engines in a certain range of serial numbers that are more reliable than others like truckers tell you about C15 engines?
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Posted: 29 May 2014 at 5:44pm |
 Jwmac7060 wrote:
Dr.....the L10 and M11 were junk in my opinion too. When cat went to the acert motors they started manufacturing junk. I actually had a Peterbilt dealer tell me he would not sell me a truck with a cat acert motor in it. He knew after running Cummins isx motors that I would not be happy. Look at the resale value of any truck with an acert motor compared to an isx or ism..usually 15 to 20 grand difference. |
The company I work for has 4-500 trucks with ISX and a few day cabs with ISMs and I do most of the engine work on our trucks and I will tell you this we have more trouble from those engines than any of the cats or Detroit's that we used to run. We buy used fleet trucks with 4-500k miles on them one try to get to 1.2 million and very few have made it without major engine work and countless egr problems, and a year ago we bought 75 2010 pro stars with aftertreatment and those are in the shop with regen issues as much as there on the road. The accert cats may have had issues but you can buy a single turbo setup for them that alleviates a lot of problems. So like I said earlier I would not be afraid of the c10 with only 200k on an oh.
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Posted: 31 May 2014 at 1:44am |
Jwmac7060 wrote:
Dr.....the L10 and M11 were junk in my opinion too. When cat went to the acert motors they started manufacturing junk. I actually had a Peterbilt dealer tell me he would not sell me a truck with a cat acert motor in it. He knew after running Cummins isx motors that I would not be happy. Look at the resale value of any truck with an acert motor compared to an isx or ism..usually 15 to 20 grand difference. |
The ISM is a continuation of the the M11. updated and upgraded, yes, but fundamentally along the same lines. I dont believe it can go from absolute garbage to awesome in one series refresh, so I question your theory on why the L10 and M11 are "junk" in the first place. we have a friend with some 856? Versatile's with the L10 and he loves them, awesome GPA and still have plenty of guts. to the OP, to save some money look at something like this: http://www.ddtrucksonline.com/single-axle-tractor/m.directory/46/view/121 normally i am against volvo's, but if you are going to live in it at a show for a week, a volvo is decent rig to sleep in. they drive easy (can train the significant other to drive, or buddy that has never drove truck before) with big mirrors and tight steering cut. and best of all, they are cheap. :) the one i linked above will have EGR, and likely a VGT, both are higher cost items that can and will fail, so keep that in mind when truck shopping. Oct. of 2002 is when the mandate went in, and I personally wont have anything on the yard new enough to have EGR, as IMO it is a matter of when it will fail, not if.
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Posted: 30 Mar 2018 at 10:00pm |
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my c10 just lost a follower and cam, not good as my other truck needs an engine. Not good for me saying how great cat engines are anymore, but they all break
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Posted: 30 Mar 2018 at 10:51pm |
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Wow A person I used to drive for had freightliners with L10s and M11s With a million and a half miles on them with not that many problems, although I do think one batch had some bad pistons. But I do know when I would talk to him after he got some newer trucks. He would always say those old trucks were making him more money, easier and cheaper to repair.
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