Oil filter

C159

If I remember right I keep reading posts that Fram filters aint all that. Can anyone respond, maybe Im wrong. Ryan

Fram filters are junk.  Cut some apart and compare to a champion made or wix made filter and see the difference.  There is a reason no OEM will let them make filters for them. 

Bill The 7011 napa filter is changed and the rubber disk/left filter is no longer produced and if I remember correctly carried a part number of 1011.  The last time I bought a napa filter however it was 19 dollars, just 3 weeks ago.  Tony has them listed at 10 dollars.  I need to place an order for a dozen or so. 

If the Fram C159 is still stuffed with cloth, its drastically different from their crap full flow pleated paper filters. The AC engines with bypass filters depend on a lot of flow resistance in the bypass filter to hold up oil pressure, and a pleated paper filter won't do that. Only the cloth stuffed filter has proven to do that.

Gerald J.

Big fish, please tell me you added all of the chaff for S$#t's and giggles?  Wow if you didn't.  Did they even run the cotton through the gin?  (I don't know much about cotton processing) or just take picked cotton right out of the field?  

http://www.fram.com/pdf/Fram_HP_Product_Specs.pdf   this is the filter i use with the d17 or egleanor oil filter housing. the ph8a filter is recomended for the d17 and 175 226 gas engines as you can see in the link the hp1 will interchange.

Edited by mlpankey - 03 Aug 2010 at 1:43pm

I always use Purolator!!

the AC brand [bought from Sandy lake] Balwin & Purolator are also full of rice husk & whats called cotton mote...or trash as we call it here in cotton country ...my Dad owned a rice mill in the 60's & I can tell you rice husk will NOT absorb anything...they are there just to take up space ...kinda got to me when I cut open the Agco filter [after I blew my puller engine] & found husk in it....these are built like fuel-oil filters not engine oil filters     

[QUOTE=Gerald J.]Some D17 use the low pressure bypass filter and some use the full flow PH8. They are not interchangeable. quote gerald j
you change the filter housing or live with the cotton fibers in all fuel/oil filters no matter whos name is on them

Edited by mlpankey - 04 Aug 2010 at 8:07am

Butch(OH) wrote: Gerald is not saying they wont bolt up, he is saying  they are not interchangable in application and he is correct. A full flow has to handle the system GPM and there is no way you can do that in X size canister and keep the microns the same. The by-pass filter element will filter out finer particals but wont handle the full flow GPM unless huge. This is why large diesels have both, the full flow to catch big stuff and make sure that all the oil reaching the bearings has some sort of filtration and the by-pass to filter out the fines.  If you want to filter part of your oil with a coarser filter that is up to you. Personaly I could care less whats inside of my Fleetgard LF571s as long as they are filtering as designed but things go over my head ya know?

wasnt anything personal butch .Alot of bad mouthing fram filters has been taking place on here . Most of which is comparing a apple to a orange. Not the same style filter. What I was telling gerald is two bolts hold the housing to the side of the block with a little effrt the entire housing can be changed to the full flow paper element oil filter . But then no one would have anything to bicker about now would they.

Butch(OH) wrote: Dont worry about me I have developed thick skin on here. You are correct in that there is a lot of happy horse poop about about oil, filters and filtering. I generaly just stand back and enjoy the reading when the subject comes up but I fell in the swill this time, my mistake.

Ah...my morning entertainment...LOL!  Mike

Has anyone tried the Baldwin T-300M FILTER?

OH NO!!! The Anti-Fram guys are at it again!! I've said it before, and I'll say it again, I've been selling Fram filters for 35 years, and NEVER had any of my customers lose an engine or had engine problems because of the oil filter. Not even on my own engines in my 1/4 mile door slammers or Dragsters that I used race for years. Speaking of Dragster's, tell the Top Fuel and Funny car guys that Fram filters are sh$t. If they were that bad, they wouldn't be screwed on a million dollar 8000 HP engine. I'll go along with Butch n' Mike. It is morning entertainment! I think my personal vehicles and my little Tractors will survive those bad ole' filters..  LOL!
Steve@B&B

mlpankey wrote: [QUOTE=Gerald J.]Some D17 use the low pressure bypass filter and some use the full flow PH8. They are not interchangeable. quote gerald j you change the filter housing or live with the cotton fibers in all fuel/oil filters no matter whos name is on them

 
I don't know how you think you can use a pleated paper filter on a by-pass system like the older Ac's had. I'm sure you can change the filter bracket, but it has been proven that pleated filters WILL NOT cause enough resistance in the system to develop adequate oil pressure. Unless you plan on revamping the oil system internally a pleated paper filter will ruin you engine in a by-pass situation.
 As far as the fram filters go, they will work as good as any in a bypass system.
 Maybe somebody should build an add-a-bracket that would allow use of a by-pass filter and then what gets through that would go through a pleated paper filter. Then maybe your engine will last 100 years instead of 50.

mdtractormechanic,
I agree 100% with ya. I to am a heavy equipment and heavy truck mechanic that has  over 30 years myself. That's my regular job not a parts salesman selling filters. I'm responsible for taking care of a fleet for the local power co. and know what your saying. I also do a lot of Hydraulic work because our bucket trucks are equipped with 42-55' man-lift booms, & pressure digger derricks to set poles. You are absolutely correct. There are certain types of filters for certain types of jobs. Hydraulics is a whole other world, and so are the filters designed for those applications. To me, the entertainment end of it is how this subject (Fram) on the Tractors gets beat to death when a question arises, not so much the longevity of a product. Wix had a problem a while back with their equivilent to the C159 Fram. Yet, folks are right on it that Fram's version is junk. I sell a lot of C159's to our Tractor customer's and not one that I know of lost an engine because of the filter. They're all on my Tractors also. To me, its why condemn something when it hasn't had any issues. It works the way it was designed so far. Glad to see Wix jumped on that problem and revised the filter, especially for folks who only have Napa stores near them where they can purchase their service parts. As you probably know, Wix is one of the "giants" of the filter industry, also making the filters for Cat, and other mfr's per their specs. I am just as concerned as you about the longevity of a machine or engine at work. Some of our bucket trucks have close to a 1/2 million miles on em'. Not counting the endless hours these engines run while the linemen are in the air fixing the power lines day and night. Now we're talking longevity.....
Steve@B&B