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Lonn 
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 Posted: 28 Aug 2016 at 11:54am |
 Gerald J. wrote:
Yet some other parts of the world are hungry because of prohibition of GMO seed and chemical fertilizers.
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It's not so much the GMO and chemicals as it is politics. China says they don't want GMO but look at what China feeds it's people. I'm no big GMO fan but China will feed whatever it can as long as the politics fit. The people there don't trust Chinese grown food unless they grow it in their own garden and even then the pollution seeps into what they grow. If Africa ever gets it together, they'll put many farmers out of business with all that rich land. I don't look for that to happen in my lifetime.
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Jwmac7060
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Posted: 28 Aug 2016 at 12:05pm |
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I hedged a huge portion of my crop at 4.20 and I feel fortunate...that being said, 4.20 still isn't that great considering the input costs. Ethanol is not the answer either...you will never see a mandate above 10%...if the govt ever quits subsidising it, every ethanol plant will close...bio fuels are all a joke..if they were that good they would stand on their own without the govt paying for them
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Posted: 28 Aug 2016 at 12:07pm |
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Farmers need to follow Jewish law. It requires that you let the soil lay fallow once every seven years.
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Posted: 28 Aug 2016 at 12:34pm |
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I hedged a huge portion of my crop at 4.20 and I feel fortunate...that being said, 4.20 still isn't that great considering the input costs. Ethanol is not the answer either...you will never see a mandate above 10%...if the govt ever quits subsidising it, every ethanol plant will close...bio fuels are all a joke..if they were that good they would stand on their own without the govt paying for them |
What subsidies is ethanol getting?
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Posted: 28 Aug 2016 at 1:23pm |
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Tax incentives. Here in Iowa the pump price of E10 is 30 cents below that of regular. When I lived in Oregon the state provided a 10 cent per gallon to the Boardman ethanol plant and required all auto regular to be E10. Ethanol would not survive in a true free market unless crude was consistently well above $100 a barrel.
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Gerald J.
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Posted: 28 Aug 2016 at 1:43pm |
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There are corn varieties from long ago that you could successfully keep the seed and have the same characteristics each year. Unfortunately those characteristics include 50 or 60 bushel per acre yield.
Typically the modern hybrid corn doesn't reproduce from the gain well. Those I've had come up in bean fields in years past didn't grow tall or pollinate well growing nubbin ears with only a few kernels. Not what I'd want for corn to be harvested.
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Posted: 28 Aug 2016 at 2:23pm |
Ahhh, If corn is not profitable why would you plant corn? That is a farmers strike when you quit contributing to the over abundance of corn or any other farm product which is what brings prices down. It is called supply and demand.
Feed your corn to beef and get your corn profit on the hoof. As I was growing up Dad sold very little corn for cash. He sold what corn was not used for feed to empty the cribs for the new crop. The corn went into chickens, hogs, dairy cows, and beef.
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Posted: 28 Aug 2016 at 4:15pm |
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yep....what Dick says! as per the subsidies that the govt gives the ethanol plants. it's real close to the price they sell the ethanol for just pennies difference. say they sell the ethanol for $1.20/gallon, the govt. will give them $1.17/gallon. (just an example)
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Posted: 28 Aug 2016 at 4:41pm |
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Show me where ethanol is getting subsidies, because it is not, has not since 2012, and the ethanol plants are still running.
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Posted: 28 Aug 2016 at 4:47pm |
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Show me where ethanol is getting subsidies, because it is not, has not since 2012, and the ethanol plants are still running. |
The #1 subsidy that ethanol gets is that almost everyone that buys gasoline is forced by the Gov't to buy ethanol.
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Posted: 28 Aug 2016 at 4:55pm |
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Big Al there are more ethanol plants sitting closed then there are running right now...there where ethanol plants built that never made the first drop of ethanol that are sitting idle right now...without the 10% mandate in gas there would be no need for it at all...ethanol is a joke that makes hippy liberals feel good...take away the mandate and watch the demand for it disappear. I haul fuel as well as farm and farmers don't like the ethanol or the bio diesel...our little refinery pays a ridiculous amount of tax every year because we don't sell enough corn and beans squeezings in our fuel...we push it like hell but the demand is just not there...just like the govt to force something down our throats that the consumer doesn't want....corn should be for food,feed, and whiskey..hell bio diesel isn't made from beans as much as it's made from road kill and animal fat...the whole renewable energy thing is a huge farce
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Posted: 28 Aug 2016 at 4:56pm |
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Gary is 100% right
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Posted: 28 Aug 2016 at 6:02pm |
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Well when the ethanol turns to jelly in my carburetor I really don't care for it at all. My d17 hates that stuff. I agree make whiskey or feed it to pigs and sell the pork to china they can't get enough pork over there....
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Posted: 28 Aug 2016 at 6:38pm |
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You're onto something, Dan. Let's repeal the booze tax and really get the corn flowing. :)
Seriously, in the good old days farmers were already diversified. They would grow corn, beans, hay and more. They would also raise pork, beef and perhaps have some dairy. While they did not make money hand over fist like when corn was going gangbusters, they were somewhat protected when grain prices were in the toilet. Today you see farmers buying more and more land and expecting to make millions raising only corn.
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Posted: 28 Aug 2016 at 8:10pm |
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I'm thinking medical marijuana might be the next profitable crop to plant!! Ryan
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Posted: 28 Aug 2016 at 8:13pm |
Ryan Renko wrote:
I'm thinking medical marijuana might be the next profitable crop to plant!! Ryan |
Seems like it would be hard to keep it from being harvested at night for you...
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Lonn
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Posted: 28 Aug 2016 at 8:22pm |
bigal121892 wrote:
Show me where ethanol is getting subsidies, because it is not, has not since 2012, and the ethanol plants are still running. |
It's the mandate. When the government requires it to be used, it's not a free market anymore. Kinda like Obamacare.
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Posted: 28 Aug 2016 at 8:35pm |
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I'm down for that....cut it and bail it like hay
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Posted: 28 Aug 2016 at 8:37pm |
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Wow just think what them bales would be worth.....
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Posted: 28 Aug 2016 at 9:06pm |
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Hemp was a crop one time until the gov band it I guess many things can be made from it. That would be a good cash crop if it was legal again.
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Posted: 28 Aug 2016 at 9:44pm |
45 turboa- wrote:
Hemp was a crop one time until the gov band it I guess many things can be made from it. That would be a good cash crop if it was legal again. |
The state legislature made it legal to grow hemp as an agricultural crop in Oregon a few years ago. Subject to federal government approval. That hasn't happened yet despite Oregon legalizing maryjane last year.
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Posted: 28 Aug 2016 at 9:45pm |
Dan73 wrote:
Well when the ethanol turns to jelly in my carburetor I really don't care for it at all. My d17 hates that stuff. . |
Ethanol is no tht source of that damned goo. It's the reformulated gasoline they make today. Ethanol is the same ethyl alcohol you have in liquors and do yo know of any high proof liquor like everclear that leave any residue behind if the cap is left off and it all evaporates? I don't.
FWIW I run E30 and higher blends in everything and I do mean everything from my 4 stroke string trimmer on up and I have no better or worse fuel problems than everyone else who insists on running straight non ethanol fuels.
Ethanol is getting an unfair blame for what they did to gasoline blends over the last decade or two to meet the latest BS emissions compliance specs.
Ever wonder why you can buy a old machine that has sat for 20+ years and it will still run on the old gas in its tank yet today's fuels go sour and become unburnable goo in a matter of a few months or less? It's not the ethanol content that makes it that way. 
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Posted: 28 Aug 2016 at 9:49pm |
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Ethanol draws and mixes with water. Therein lays the problem.
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Posted: 28 Aug 2016 at 10:00pm |
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Ethanol draws and mixes with water. Therein lays the problem.
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So do the gasoline blends they have now. 
But realistically you shouldn't be getting moisture in your fuel tanks unless your tank caps have bad seals.
I run my MF 202 industrial tractor forklift, International W450, John Deere A, and my daily driver vehicles that are not propane fueled on E30 and higher blends year round here in north dakota and I don't have moisture issues doing it but then most of them burn through a tank of fuel in a month or less so nothing has time to sit long enough to ever collect enough moisture to begin with.
BTW I have played around with seeing how much water an E30 mix can take before it won't run normally and it's a lot. Upward of a quart or better in a five gallon bucket so if you're getting that much condensation in a machine's fuel tank you have some serious rain leakage issues to deal with or you need to run the damn thing more than 5 minutes a year! 
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Posted: 28 Aug 2016 at 10:04pm |
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It just took me about an hour to read all 3 pages of this post , but, page 3 made the most sense of them all combined. Duane
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Posted: 28 Aug 2016 at 10:09pm |
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Well my d17 puts up about 7000 bales of hay in the summer so a tank of fuel is measured in hours all summer and in the winter it is in a barn high an dry. It also has a lined tank with a new cap and repaired filler neck yet it still fights with goo in the spring so I think your water tests must be missing something.
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Posted: 28 Aug 2016 at 10:23pm |
THe goo comes from a chemical reaction between the new blends of gasoline and the oxygen in the air. Because of that reaction with oxygen depending on how well or poorly the fuel container, tank is sealed that reaction can make good fuel into worthless goo in less than a month regardless of whether it ever saw a drop of ethanol or water blended into it.
Simply put it's basically designed to go bad on purpose now just from open air oxygen contact alone.
Water can contaminate it and ethanol being a highly volatile alcohol will simply evaporate leaving the gasoline base stock behind that turns into the dreaded goo that forms from its own reactions with oxygen. 
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Posted: 29 Aug 2016 at 1:13am |
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Local Federated parts store has a large sign posted with all the problems to expect when
running ethanol blended gas,they didn't just dream it all up.I know when I run non
ethanol gas in small engines I have less problems with carbs gumming up especially when they sit for awhile
than I do when I use ethanol blend.
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Posted: 29 Aug 2016 at 4:38am |
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Ethanol and water is the real problem...it's called phase separation...older engines,small engines,and two strokes run better on non ethanol gas.Anything with a carburetor will run better on non ethanol gas I don't care what you say...and these so called junk gas stocks you're talking about I'm not aware of in Indiana....everything comes out of our refinery at either 84 octane or 91 octane...the ethanol is then added to make the higher octane blends
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Posted: 29 Aug 2016 at 6:19am |
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two things we should ALL agree on
1) regular 'gas' (whatever the stuff that comes out of the pump) is NOT as good as it was years ago.......
2) the guv and some fat cats are scamming us so they can line THEIR pockets....
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