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Acfarm 
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Posted: 20 Oct 2016 at 11:55pm |
Anyone(*cough cough Creston*) ever thought about putting something similar to an Allis "G" halftrack on a Ford 8n? We have one with an Everett trencher/creeper box that we use occasionally. Considering the track setup for when we get into softer soils. Thoughts?
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Posted: 21 Oct 2016 at 2:35am |
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I've seen some of them with tracks. always thought it was a waste of good tracks! lol
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Posted: 21 Oct 2016 at 6:35am |
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I have seen them on Craigslist before. I always wondered how you turn them seems to me if the going is bad enough for tracks the front end will just he a plow. Guess if you have good brakes you can steer that way but you probably will have to get good at brake jobs.
I would look for a 4wd if it was me. There are some nice 4wd factory kits on the 600 and 800 fords. That is the only thing I like about them but I guess if you are ok with the double clutch form of live power and you get a standard they are nice. I have a friend who has one with the reverser works good but don't reverse it with the pto running or you will reverse you attachment.
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Posted: 21 Oct 2016 at 6:41am |
I've seen a lot of them with tracks. A good use of tracks!
Side note...you have a working Everett creeper? That creeper alone is worth more than any 8N! They're a rare bird. I thought about buying a junk 8N with an Everett once, because the owner didn't know what he had, but it had already sold when I called about the ad.
Yes, there are some Elenco 4wd kits for anything from 8N-800 series, but they are pretty rare and cost a pretty penny. Also, the earliest ones are continuous 4wd. You can't switch between 2 and 4 wheel drive. You'll float a lot better on snow/mud with the Arps half tracks.
The Elenco FWA. I think it looks pretty cool, but with the 8N/jubilee/workmaster (600 series) it robs engine power, and you really don't have much left for anything else. (Shameless would say you never have much for anything else, even without FWA, Lol) (They do work good on the 800/801 series. They're quite a bit bigger, with 71 engine hp.
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Posted: 21 Oct 2016 at 6:54am |
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My friend has a 800 with the 4wd kit. It works good for snow clearing either plowing or blowing.
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Posted: 21 Oct 2016 at 7:42am |
 shameless (ne) wrote:
I've seen some of them with tracks. always thought it was a waste of good tracks! lol
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And if the tracks get the least bit rusty the N won't have power to move 
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Posted: 21 Oct 2016 at 8:07am |
My 8N has a Sherman hi/low. Funniest thing is that the seller and me did not know the Sherman was in there until I had it in the barn. Had to split it a couple of times to get it right though. BTW, that is some fancy seat cover on the tracked N. It is totally retired now that I have one of those green machines to move the snow if the occasion occurs. Those compact utilities are awesomely handy especially if the ranch is 5.8 acres large.
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Posted: 21 Oct 2016 at 8:31am |
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in the 30 years I have been hauling n fords to the scrap yard, I have hauled at least 10 with tracks. they are loud, cumberson, and since the brakes on 90% of them are totally useless harder than heck to turn. I have never paid for 1 with tracks, they have all been given to me. Don't anyone ask me to save parts for you. I tried that when I first started doing this and more parts were stolen from me than I ever sold.
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Posted: 21 Oct 2016 at 9:13am |
Now that is 30 years of progress right there....
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Posted: 21 Oct 2016 at 9:28am |
HD6GTOM wrote:
in the 30 years I have been hauling n fords to the scrap yard, I have hauled at least 10 with tracks. they are loud, cumberson, and since the brakes on 90% of them are totally useless harder than heck to turn. I have never paid for 1 with tracks, they have all been given to me. Don't anyone ask me to save parts for you. I tried that when I first started doing this and more parts were stolen from me than I ever sold. |
You want to save me a half track assembly next time you find one? A lot of people say the SP-100 combines are loud, cumbersome, and harder than heck to steer too, you know!
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Posted: 21 Oct 2016 at 11:26am |
Dan73 wrote:
CrestonM wrote:
HD6GTOM wrote:
in the 30 years I have been hauling n fords to the scrap yard, I have hauled at least 10 with tracks. they are loud, cumberson, and since the brakes on 90% of them are totally useless harder than heck to turn. I have never paid for 1 with tracks, they have all been given to me. Don't anyone ask me to save parts for you. I tried that when I first started doing this and more parts were stolen from me than I ever sold. |
You want to save me a half track assembly next time you find one?
A lot of people say the SP-100 combines are loud, cumbersome, and harder than heck to steer too, you know! |
Me thinks you didn't read all of his post.... LMAO |
I DID read it, but I thought I'd ask anyway Lol Never know...he might just make an exception!
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Posted: 21 Oct 2016 at 11:39am |
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How about getting wider front tires and a set of duals rigged up for soft soil?
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Posted: 21 Oct 2016 at 12:08pm |
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Elderly lady we rented the next farm over from had a logger talk her into selectively taking some trees. Hired me to help at about 15/16 years old and was quite surprised at how much of a large log that little Ford with ARPS half-tracks could pull. Even out of deep gullies, that thing was like a mountain goat but you had to be careful as the front could still rise up quickly.
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Posted: 21 Oct 2016 at 12:09pm |
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Seems to me they should have put more thought into the 8n instead of into accessories to overcome the lack of thought that went into the tractor.
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Posted: 21 Oct 2016 at 12:26pm |
Walker wrote:
Seems to me they should have put more thought into the 8n instead of into accessories to overcome the lack of thought that went into the tractor.
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That's where the Massey Ferguson designs came from. N series Ford without all the shortcomings.
I have a MF 202 industrial that was converted into a forklift. It's basically an N series Ford but with twice the engine power, twice the transmission gears, twice the brakes, Power steering, live hydraulics, and live PTO (not that a forklift needs a PTO) 
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Posted: 21 Oct 2016 at 12:47pm |
Tcmtech wrote:
Walker wrote:
Seems to me they should have put more thought into the 8n instead of into accessories to overcome the lack of thought that went into the tractor.
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That's where the Massey Ferguson designs came from. Â N series Ford without all the shortcomings.Â
I have a MF 202 industrial that was converted into a forklift. Â It's basically an N series Ford but with twice the engine power, twice the transmission gears, twice the brakes, Â Power steering, live hydraulics, and live PTO (not that a forklift needs a PTO)Â |
So what the Massey and the Ford both have 4 tires to make them the same? Cause that sounds like two different machines to me.... LMAO
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Posted: 21 Oct 2016 at 1:10pm |
It IS a working Everett! Needs paint sorely, but she fires right up and we still use her! Everything operational, and since it can be trailered don't need to hit road speed so if anything is robbed powerwise from the tracks it shouldn't be an issue The trencher has some add-ons from my grandfather on the back to smooth out the ditch...makes it even lighter on the front! He used to use it to do custom draintile installation around the Portland, Oregon area back in the day.
Just looking at options as it is a neat little trencher and we plan on keeping it for a long time. Might look into making a set of my own tracks in my spare(LOL) time......
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Posted: 21 Oct 2016 at 1:48pm |
Allis dave wrote:
How about getting wider front tires and a set of duals rigged up for soft soil? |
They did have duals as an option, and you could get something (not sure of the actual name) but looks like a steel wheel that bolts to each drive wheel. The diameter of the wheel is about 2" less than the tractor tire so you can drive on pavement, but if you hit a soft spot and sink down a bit, the steel wheel grabs and helps drive you forward.
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Posted: 21 Oct 2016 at 1:51pm |
Acfarm wrote:
Might look into making a set of my own tracks in my spare(LOL) time...... |
Maybe HD6GTOM will feel generous and save us a couple half track kits, next time he finds some. Just like everything, they only built so many, and once they're gone, they're gone. Period. Regardless of color, I love preserving history, just for that purpose. Even JD stuff, like an original super rare low radiator un-styled G I may be buying soon.
But...Allis is and always will be my favorite!
Also...Acfarm...If you want to talk to more people who like Fords than just me, I recommend joining the My Tractor Forum (MTF) website (Link: http://www.mytractorforum.com/38-ford-ns-9n-2n-8n/ ). They have a N series section, and those guys are great, just as knowledgeable as these guys are on Allis, except on Ford. They would be glad to help answer any questions, and they won't talk down your 8N! Trust me, I know! Without them, I probably couldn't have restored my 8N! It was my first restoration, and I had to learn a LOT!
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Posted: 21 Oct 2016 at 3:29pm |
Dan73 wrote:
So what the Massey and the Ford both have 4 tires to make them the same? Cause that sounds like two different machines to me.... LMAO |
What?
I take it you don't know the historical relation between the Ford Ferguson designs and the Massey Ferguson designs?
Do some historical reading about both and look at some pictures of the N series Fords compared to MF similar sized units that came later and let me know if you still don't see the relation between the two.
Ill give you a hint, the names and machine layouts are are a dead giveaway to the relation. 
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Posted: 21 Oct 2016 at 3:52pm |
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Well my point was that you said the motor was bigger the transmission was different with more gears and the pto was different with live power. I get that it is the same design but with about everything changed. Lol
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Posted: 21 Oct 2016 at 7:30pm |
Creston, I think since ole HD gets them given to him he could at least cull out a couple of usable sets and let us put some jingle in his pocket. Bet we could come up with an offer that would beat scrap price.  i have to agree on the N Board. lots of helpful folks there and can't remember when they all get together and howl about other brands like ALLIS.
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Posted: 21 Oct 2016 at 7:34pm |
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My MF-135 is about the same size as an 8N but with twice the horsepower, a 12 speed forward transmission, live PTO, power steering, and twice the weight. It does real work where the 8N I had before it was just a toy, that didn't do a good job at real work.
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Posted: 21 Oct 2016 at 7:46pm |
Dan73 wrote:
Well my point was that you said the motor was bigger the transmission was different with more gears and the pto was different with live power. I get that it is the same design but with about everything changed. Lol |
Yea. The low points and limitations of the base N series were improved upon but the overall base design,other than some sheet metal differences, and target application plus market of the tractor stayed the same. Basically the N series with all of it's major shortcomings of the time fixed. 
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Posted: 21 Oct 2016 at 9:47pm |
Dave H wrote:
Creston, I think since ole HD gets them given to him he could at least cull out a couple of usable sets and let us put some jingle in his pocket.
Bet we could come up with an offer that would beat scrap price. i have to agree on the N Board. lots of helpful folks there and can't remember when they all get together and howl about other brands like ALLIS.
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You would think so, Dave. I mean, I wouldn't scrap a tractor at all. I've got part of an early 1948-49 8N at the ranch that all that's left is the transmission, rear end front axle, and a rare Knoedler optional seat (That's on my "Thing's to restore" list). Point is, there isn't much, but the transmision looks good, as well as the PTO shaft, hydraulic pump, etc. Everything still has oil in it. There's always someone looking for something. It makes me sick when I see RUNNING tractors scrapped! Just because they don't like the brand... He said he ended up having more stolen than he sold...you just have to know where to advertise! Say if a JD guy was scrapping out W and D series Allis tractors (Yes, D21s included) and just happened to stumble across a WD45 with a working power steering setup and figured no one would want it (Since Allis's are useless in a JD guy's eyes), he'd probably just toss it in with the scrap. BUT...if the JD guy had listed the power steering set up on here for, say $50, how many of you would jump on it? I would! Same thing for Ford parts. If you put them here, only a couple people (if that) would be interested. But...advertise on the N Board or MTF, and I can almost guarantee you'd have takers!
Yep, that's one thing I notice about both the N Board and the Ford guys on MTF. They don't talk bad about other brands.
I'm on a mission to find a bunch of optional equipment for the Ford Ns. In particular a Sherman hi/low combo , and an Arps half track (I have really good brakes. Keep adjusting them every now and then to compensate for liner wear, and you'll be stopping and turning on dimes for years! They really do have the best mechanical brakes of any tractor I've ever ran)
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Posted: 21 Oct 2016 at 10:41pm |
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\Yep, that's one thing I notice about both the N Board and the Ford guys on MTF. They don't talk bad about other brands.
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Sounds like a forum worth checking out.
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Posted: 21 Oct 2016 at 10:51pm |
CrestonM wrote:
You would think so, Dave. I mean, I wouldn't scrap a tractor at all. I've got part of an early 1948-49 8N at the ranch that all that's left is the transmission, rear end front axle, and a rare Knoedler optional seat (That's on my "Thing's to restore" list). Point is, there isn't much, but the transmision looks good, as well as the PTO shaft, hydraulic pump, etc. Everything still has oil in it. There's always someone looking for something. It makes me sick when I see RUNNING tractors scrapped! Just because they don't like the brand...
He said he ended up having more stolen than he sold...you just have to know where to advertise! Say if a JD guy was scrapping out W and D series Allis tractors (Yes, D21s included) and just happened to stumble across a WD45 with a working power steering setup and figured no one would want it (Since Allis's are useless in a JD guy's eyes), he'd probably just toss it in with the scrap. BUT...if the JD guy had listed the power steering set up on here for, say $50, how many of you would jump on it? I would! Same thing for Ford parts. If you put them here, only a couple people (if that) would be interested. But...advertise on the N Board or MTF, and I can almost guarantee you'd have takers! |
Regarding scrapping other brands as a guy who scraps a lot of things for iron I can say that after personal preference towards personal brand loyalty plays its part deciding what's junk beyond reasonable reuse, personal experience with people who are loyal to another brand is next in line.
I know that until I dealt with people on this forum I thought AC tractors were okay but now to be honest if and when any of ours go down for a major issue I won't hesitate to haul them in for iron (probably will tell the crane operators to crush them to bits while I watch and take pictures too) just to make sure no AC collector' or s users get anything usable from them again even if I could double or triple my money on what was paid for them in the end. 
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Posted: 21 Oct 2016 at 11:09pm |
Tcmtech wrote:
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\Yep, that's one thing I notice about both the N Board and the Ford guys on MTF. They don't talk bad about other brands.
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Sounds like a forum worth checking out. |
I already put a link for the MTF website, but here's one for the N board. The N News also puts out a nice magazine and calendar!
There's a tab at the top called "N Board". That's where the forum is.
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Posted: 21 Oct 2016 at 11:18pm |
Tcmtech wrote:
I know that until I dealt with people on this forum I thought AC tractors were okay but now to be honest if and when any of ours go down for a major issue I won't hesitate to haul them in for iron (probably will tell the crane operators to crush them to bits while I watch and take pictures too) just to make sure no AC collector' or s users get anything usable from them again even if I could double or triple my money on what was paid for them in the end.
A few bad apples running unchecked here ruined the whole damn feel I had for AC equipment. Especially B's |
That's just terrible... I hate it that something on here bothered you so much it made you want to crush the Allis's... I hope I wasn't one of the ones
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