Non-Orange Why no spark ??

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   Here’s the situation: 

Did some rear end work on my Oliver 1600 - went to fire it up after putting it back together and I have no spark. 

Converted to electronic ignition 
Have power to the coil, but nothing past that. 

I’ve replaced the following 

Electronic ignition module , coil, spark plugs, wires , rotor , distributor cap 

Still no spark 

What the heck am I missing 

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SGTJ Members Profile Send Private Message Find Members Posts Add to Buddy List Bronze Level Joined: 15 Apr 2019 Location: La Valle, WI Points: 106	Post Options Post Reply Quote SGTJ Report Post Thanks(0) Quote Reply Topic: Non-Orange Why no spark ?? Posted: 22 May 2021 at 10:10pm
	Here’s the situation: Did some rear end work on my Oliver 1600 - went to fire it up after putting it back together and I have no spark. Converted to electronic ignition Have power to the coil, but nothing past that. I’ve replaced the following Electronic ignition module , coil, spark plugs, wires , rotor , distributor cap Still no spark What the heck am I missing
	WD , CA

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Wispitfiremike Members Profile Send Private Message Find Members Posts Add to Buddy List Silver Level Joined: 28 Mar 2017 Location: Milwaukee, WI Points: 201	Post Options Post Reply Quote Wispitfiremike Report Post Thanks(0) Quote Reply Posted: 22 May 2021 at 10:14pm
	I know nothing of Oliver tractors but maybe you disturbed a ground wire?

Boss Man Members Profile Send Private Message Find Members Posts Add to Buddy List Orange Level Joined: 03 Mar 2018 Location: Greenleaf, WI Points: 617	Post Options Post Reply Quote Boss Man Report Post Thanks(0) Quote Reply Posted: 23 May 2021 at 10:54am
	power to the coil tested with a meter or test light? Had power to a fuel solenoid once according to a meter but wasnt getting enough amps to run a test light.

steve(ill) Members Profile Send Private Message Find Members Posts Add to Buddy List Orange Level Access Joined: 11 Sep 2009 Location: illinois Points: 87322	Post Options Post Reply Quote steve(ill) Report Post Thanks(0) Quote Reply Posted: 23 May 2021 at 3:49pm
	Jon, like you said , it is a pretty simple circuit... 12 volts from the battery to the coil.. coil output ( 12 volts) goes to the point... point opens and closes ( grounds out) and the condenser with the point cause the coil HIGH SIDE) to spark... All you have done is replace the point and condenser (?) with an electronic box ( ignition module)... You should still have 12 volts INTO the coil, and 12 volts OUT OF THE COIL and into the module as you crank the motor.. If your not getting that PULSE, then the coil will not fire ... somehow the module has to ground the 12 volts as the distributor rotates.. I assume that is an external wire. If you are seeing the 12 volt PULSE ( on - off- on) as you rotate the motor then the module is probablay working.. time to look at the coil to see if it is putting out a SPARK on the high side... you can bypass the distributor cap by putting a spark plug in the coil OUTLET HEAVY WIRE that goes to the cap.. That way the plug will fire 4 times ( for all 4 plugs)... LIke you said, its not that complicated.. Probably something simple overlooked. Edited by steve(ill) - 23 May 2021 at 10:31pm
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MACK Members Profile Send Private Message Find Members Posts Add to Buddy List Orange Level Joined: 17 Nov 2009 Points: 7664	Post Options Post Reply Quote MACK Report Post Thanks(0) Quote Reply Posted: 23 May 2021 at 9:27pm
	He said it was converted to electronic invitation so no points or condenser. I would say you need to check with Co. that sold it or manufactured it. MACK .

SGTJ Members Profile Send Private Message Find Members Posts Add to Buddy List Bronze Level Joined: 15 Apr 2019 Location: La Valle, WI Points: 106	Post Options Post Reply Quote SGTJ Report Post Thanks(0) Quote Reply Posted: 24 May 2021 at 6:45am
	I just broke down an bought a whole new conversion kit from Steiner - the odds of me having two bad ignition modules is pretty low in my opinion, But I’ll just go ahead and get a third one
	WD , CA

rw Members Profile Send Private Message Find Members Posts Add to Buddy List Silver Level Joined: 28 Oct 2009 Location: United States Points: 384	Post Options Post Reply Quote rw Report Post Thanks(0) Quote Reply Posted: 24 May 2021 at 6:57am
	Be sure you have the reluctor fastened to the rotor so it is passing the pickup coil. One install I did had an issue with the reluctor fitting the rotor.

Steve in NJ Members Profile Send Private Message Find Members Posts Add to Buddy List Orange Level Access Joined: 12 Sep 2009 Location: Andover, NJ Points: 11989	Post Options Post Reply Quote Steve in NJ Report Post Thanks(0) Quote Reply Posted: 24 May 2021 at 7:00am
	A brand new E.I. that doesn't work right out of the box is highly unlikely being they check each unit before its boxed. With E.I.'s, you need to run carbon core ignition wires to make sure the solid core wires don't "spike" the module and blow it out. If the wires you installed are carbon core, you should be fine. I would check the ignition switch to make sure a solid 12V's is going to the coil. With the engine cranking, you're going to lose some current to the ignition system because the Starter motor takes a lot of amperage in the crank mode. As long as you have more than 4-5V's going to the E.I., it should fire off. If the Ignition switch has an issue where it 's not suppling current to the coil in the crank mode, if its below 4V's, the ignitor won't fire off. I've seen many problems where the ignition switch was the culprit where it wouldn't feed the coil enough current in the crank mode. If you reinstall the points/condenser, do you have the same problem? If you have the same senario, could be the ignition switch. HTH Steve@B&B
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SGTJ Members Profile Send Private Message Find Members Posts Add to Buddy List Bronze Level Joined: 15 Apr 2019 Location: La Valle, WI Points: 106	Post Options Post Reply Quote SGTJ Report Post Thanks(0) Quote Reply Posted: 24 May 2021 at 8:39am
	Thanks for the info ! I bought it with the EI installed already, so I don’t have the points. I still have power when I’m cranking, and I’ve even bypassed the ignition switch entirely by running a line from the starter.
	WD , CA

Stan R Members Profile Send Private Message Find Members Posts Add to Buddy List Orange Level Access Joined: 03 Dec 2009 Location: MA Points: 991	Post Options Post Reply Quote Stan R Report Post Thanks(0) Quote Reply Posted: 24 May 2021 at 9:45am
	My EI conversion didn't work..... until I realized I had to push the magnetic sleeve farther down onto the distributor shaft (felt it click in place). D17 IV tractor.