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is this a recomend no till planter ?





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If you're gonna be around a few years I'd pay the piper and get a 7000 JD finger pick up. parts are readily available.
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Originally posted by shameless dude shameless dude wrote:

i always check the seed with the plates, my bags this year showed I should use the B1 jd plate with the seed. said so right on the bag. you have to tell your seed rep what you want, not what they will just give you! 


WHAT BRAND!?

You also said you did a terrible job planting, so….

Tell the seed rep, um, yes! But he doesn’t have much control over what they print on the bag.

I had pretty good luck with flat seed. Plate number was not on the bag, but with the weight, a couple of third party reference documents, and a careful test fit it was ok. Round seed is horribly varied in size from several seed companies where it used to work fine.

Now the headaches are officially over, and not going back. If given a choice I can’t understand why anyone would! But if good enough is good enough for you, by all means enjoy yourself.



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I am using heirloom corn that I'll be harvesting and replanting....

I didn't even realize there were different corn plates ?

I did do a seed test thru each seed box last year, just to confirm functionality.

I belive it worked as it was designed because i didn't have any missed plants until the Crows got at it.

So this plate choice is another thing I need to look at when purchasing a planter.

I think I'll start a new thread on plate info .
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I’ve got a really nice and simple to follow reference sheet. I’m trying to remember the name. If I can’t remember the name I’ll try and remember to take a picture of it. I have a few other references also but this one works the easiest and best. Stay tuned!

There’s probably close to 25 different plates for the old JD’s I’m familiar with, but a nice assortment of a half dozen or so would get you by. There are 16 cell and 24 cell, one of the reasons there’s so many. So you have number of cells, flat or round type seed, then kernel size.

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Not a bad old planter but not a notill. On plates I was able to get blank plates for my IH 56. I think it was from E&R seeds in Indiana. A Mennonite outfit that has a lot of info on heirloom varieties in their catalog. And they sell in bulk quantities. 
I have my eye on a snap coupler two row but plates have got me a little worried.


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o-k...I planted Northrup King corn this year, used a borrowed IH 800 6-30 tht I knew nothing about on it's operation, still not sure what happened nor does the planters owner know, all the corn did eventually come up, some a month later than the rest. but it's all growing good now. the blank looking rows were not the same thru the fields, when out checking while planting, I was alwys able to find the seeds, must have been lucky picking the right rows to check. the seed rep does have a say in what seed size is needed for any customer, and the company will send it to the warehouse for pickup from the customer. i've always done this, with Dekalb, Golden Harvest, Fontenelle, Northrup King, Pioneer, and a basket of other companies. only reason the seed companies went to the bulk systems is that the big farmers wanted something to make re-filling faster, thus came the expensive new planters, and the big bogged or big boxed seed containers, but now you have to have the support equipment to go along with that. most of the new planters hold about $200,000. in seed on one fill. they hafta have something to convey or lift the seed bags/boxes up to the planter tank(s). then the green company won't put th big hyd's on their smaller tractors that are more than able to pull the planters, but if you buy the BIGBER tractor, then the bigger hyd's are on them. those planters are over $250,000. and so are the tractors needed to pull the planter. then you have the seed trailer, another $25,000. just like the old plate planters, they will be used a few years and then put on consignment sales for the small farmers to buy, then they will hafta buy the 4x4 tractors to pull the planters. it's all a vicious circle. the old plate planters plant the same seed as the fancy screw the farmers planters do. but they don't have to have electric motors, air compressors, 30-40 hyd hoses, a computer, electric eyes, 8 or more tires, and many other things that the new big planters have. i'm sure I have not covered everything that the Bone can think of to ask. I've never been afraid to experiment with things, some things worked and some did not. If someone asks about something i've done and it worked or failed, I can truthfully comment on it. 
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You don’t comprehend very well.

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Your results with the IH Cyclo sound about like what the neighbor gets year after year.

Macon, just listen to shameless. I’m out.
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Thanks Fellas....

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Originally posted by shameless dude shameless dude wrote:

o-k...I planted Northrup King corn this year, used a borrowed IH 800 6-30 tht I knew nothing about on it's operation, still not sure what happened nor does the planters owner know, all the corn did eventually come up, some a month later than the rest. but it's all growing good now. the blank looking rows were not the same thru the fields, when out checking while planting, I was alwys able to find the seeds, must have been lucky picking the right rows to check. the seed rep does have a say in what seed size is needed for any customer, and the company will send it to the warehouse for pickup from the customer. i've always done this, with Dekalb, Golden Harvest, Fontenelle, Northrup King, Pioneer, and a basket of other companies. only reason the seed companies went to the bulk systems is that the big farmers wanted something to make re-filling faster, thus came the expensive new planters, and the big bogged or big boxed seed containers, but now you have to have the support equipment to go along with that. most of the new planters hold about $200,000. in seed on one fill. they hafta have something to convey or lift the seed bags/boxes up to the planter tank(s). then the green company won't put th big hyd's on their smaller tractors that are more than able to pull the planters, but if you buy the BIGBER tractor, then the bigger hyd's are on them. those planters are over $250,000. and so are the tractors needed to pull the planter. then you have the seed trailer, another $25,000. just like the old plate planters, they will be used a few years and then put on consignment sales for the small farmers to buy, then they will hafta buy the 4x4 tractors to pull the planters. it's all a vicious circle. the old plate planters plant the same seed as the fancy screw the farmers planters do. but they don't have to have electric motors, air compressors, 30-40 hyd hoses, a computer, electric eyes, 8 or more tires, and many other things that the new big planters have. i'm sure I have not covered everything that the Bone can think of to ask. I've never been afraid to experiment with things, some things worked and some did not. If someone asks about something i've done and it worked or failed, I can truthfully comment on it. 

Don’t you think if plate planter were so great wouldn’t Deere, Kinze or CIH still offer one?
 

Run a somewhat modern vac Deere you can dump flats in one hopper and rounds in another and without switching anything it will give you a picket fence stand of each.   We plant 6-8 corn varieties each year plus a corn and bean plot  never switch anything other than down pressure going from worked to no till. My 40 foot Kinze bean planter needs a whooping 2 sets of remotes.   It has a brain box that acts as a Fasse splitter.   The control box is smaller than a cigar box.   Being able to plant basically any seed size opens up lots of opportunities.  If you run a finger pickup planter that opens up the option of brush meters then you can count out bean seeds instead controlled spill.  Another bonus to the finger pickup design is in the past we cleaned out seed corn and put in winter processing squash one year and for a few years planted sunflowers with it.   Aftermarket kits are available to plant cereal grain with the Kinze brush meters.  
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Not wanting to spend more than $1500.

I don't farm for a living.
But thanks for the info.
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We had a CaseIH 900 for a couple of years, seed to soil contact was great, spacing not so much. The IH planter, was the original central fill, but trying to push that seed through those long tubes, and still keep the spacing, just didn't work. After a couple of years, went back to a White.
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Cyclo's don't have plates. They have a drum. Just about any type planter you care to mention has staunch advocates. Mainly because they took the time to really study them and how to use them.
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I was in a similar position looking for a 6rw corn planter; wanted a JD plate, nearly pulled the trigger on a good shape Allis and ended up with a 800 Cyclo air.

Never planted corn myself with it till this spring, planted 80ac.

I spent a lot of time pulling the machine apart, repairing it and researching it before went to the field and was still humbled by it. Really know the machine and it's operation inside and out before launch is my advice regardless of the brand

My stand looks good now, not real even spacing but I know I can improve on it; a smoother seed bed and more downpressure I believe, I'll know next year lol

Cyclo seed monitor was a big help, mostly for peace of mind and caught a few plugs, just a simple blockage monitor something to consider.



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You may get graded seed the first time around, but when planting your own seed back you'll have all sizes.

When you save ears for seed this fall, and the seed guys seem to store full ears not shelled until spring, shell the ends off separate from the main bulk of seeds. Give the end kernels to the chickens etc. The ends have all the jagged shaped round kernels, the main center kernels are more uniform.

Some old hand-crank ear shellers have a special socket to take off the scrabbly ends first before shelling the main part of the ear into the seed bin.

The failings of the old planters are not the plates, it's the elf shoe runners under them instead of no till disks. I mostly solved mine with tilling strips ahead of the planter.

I saw one guy get good corn results in fitted ground with a wheat drill by closing off certain rows.

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Good advice on the ear corn to get more uniform curnels.

The corn I am using has been handed down locally by "ar least" 2 generations of dairy farmers....
The wife was in her 90's when she stopped milking.

so I guess this corn might have come over on the Mayflower... 😀

Might I ask how you till in front of the runners of the traditional corn planter ?

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Originally posted by shameless dude shameless dude wrote:

o-k...I planted Northrup King corn this year, used a borrowed IH 800 6-30 tht I knew nothing about on it's operation, still not sure what happened nor does the planters owner know, all the corn did eventually come up, some a month later than the rest. but it's all growing good now. the blank looking rows were not the same thru the fields, when out checking while planting, I was alwys able to find the seeds, must have been lucky picking the right rows to check. the seed rep does have a say in what seed size is needed for any customer, and the company will send it to the warehouse for pickup from the customer. i've always done this, with Dekalb, Golden Harvest, Fontenelle, Northrup King, Pioneer, and a basket of other companies. only reason the seed companies went to the bulk systems is that the big farmers wanted something to make re-filling faster, thus came the expensive new planters, and the big bogged or big boxed seed containers, but now you have to have the support equipment to go along with that. most of the new planters hold about $200,000. in seed on one fill. they hafta have something to convey or lift the seed bags/boxes up to the planter tank(s). then the green company won't put th big hyd's on their smaller tractors that are more than able to pull the planters, but if you buy the BIGBER tractor, then the bigger hyd's are on them. those planters are over $250,000. and so are the tractors needed to pull the planter. then you have the seed trailer, another $25,000. just like the old plate planters, they will be used a few years and then put on consignment sales for the small farmers to buy, then they will hafta buy the 4x4 tractors to pull the planters. it's all a vicious circle. the old plate planters plant the same seed as the fancy screw the farmers planters do. but they don't have to have electric motors, air compressors, 30-40 hyd hoses, a computer, electric eyes, 8 or more tires, and many other things that the new big planters have. i'm sure I have not covered everything that the Bone can think of to ask. I've never been afraid to experiment with things, some things worked and some did not. If someone asks about something i've done and it worked or failed, I can truthfully comment on it. 


You know Shameless, you can still buy a new Deere 6/30 w/liquid fertilizer, seed boxes, finger pickup's, and direct drive. While expensive, it is way under $250,000, and only needs a tractor with enough hydraulics to raise and lower the planter.
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