![]() |
This site is not affiliated with AGCO Inc., Duluth GA., Allis-Chalmers Co., Milwaukee, WI., or any surviving or related corporate entity. All trademarks remain the property of their respective owners. All information presented herein should be considered the result of an un-moderated public forum with no responsibility for its accuracy or usability assumed by the users and sponsors of this site or any corporate entity. | |||||
| The Forum | Parts and Services | Unofficial Allis Store | Tractor Shows | Serial Numbers | History | |
New to the forum, new to tractors... |
Post Reply
|
| Author | |
squirt239
Bronze Level
Joined: 12 May 2017 Location: Brownsburg, IN Points: 69 |
Post Options
Thanks(0)
Quote Reply
Topic: New to the forum, new to tractors...Posted: 12 May 2017 at 5:10pm |
|
Hello everyone!
I was born and raised in a farming community, but never worked on a farm, much to my dismay now. Recently, I was given, yes given, an Allis D-14 with a seized motor. I've worked on cars, motorcycles, and some fire engines, but never tractors. So, I decided to dive head first into this project. Day one consisted of seeing if everything was complete/there. Check. Nothing missing. Day two, I tried to turn the crank by hand. No luck. So, I used the Marvel Mystery Oil; still no luck. Day three, I took the head off and found two pistons seized in the sleeves. I drained all the oil and dropped the pan. Just yesterday I pulled all the pistons and sleeves. I made my own sleeve puller (I have a vertical mill and lathe in my shop...I'm a gunsmith by trade...) which worked well. Now, all the parts are on order and should be in Saturday. Couple things that I still need though: 1. Both rear wheels are pretty well rust rotted, so I'm guessing new wheels? 2. The rear tires are nylon, cracked, dry rotted, etc. I've heard you can get tube or tubeless. Not sure what the advantages or disadvantages are...any help? 3. I'm very unfamiliar with hitches. Three point, standard, etc. I know nothing. What does the D14 have? I've seen conversions from $300 - 1300. I'm mainly going to use this for mowing brush/tall weeds down at my family's property, spraying a few farm trails, grading the driveway, and possibly pulling a hay wagon (for my three kids in the fall.) Any help or recommendations on my questions is greatly appreciated! Thanks in advance! |
|
![]() |
|
| Sponsored Links | |
![]() |
|
DiyDave
Orange Level Access
Joined: 11 Sep 2009 Location: Gambrills, MD Points: 54741 |
Post Options
Thanks(1)
Quote Reply
Posted: 12 May 2017 at 7:14pm |
|
#1, if you are good with a torch or plasma cutter, cut and patch welding is a economical alternative to new wheel$...
#2, tires for 26" wheels are kinda pricey, too. If you can find some old combine tires, at a boneyard, it might le$$en that blow. #3, the best SC to 3PH converter is like the one pictured, below. AC's bolt on(up) factory 3 point hitch relies on all upward installed bolts that tend to loosen with use, and then snap off... AC's conversion hitch is much better, IMHO... Oh, and Welcome to the forum... |
|
![]() |
|
dt1050
Orange Level
Joined: 05 Jul 2011 Location: central pa Points: 1078 |
Post Options
Thanks(1)
Quote Reply
Posted: 12 May 2017 at 7:33pm |
|
welcome to the forum. if ya take a picture of the hitch ya have it'll help us know what ya got. as stated above wheels can be patched, if ya are gonna buy wheel/tires maybe get a set of 28 inch rims. tires/tubes are cheaper. I run tubed tires, cause of loading them with fluid.
|
|
|
Just cause it's orange don't make it a tractor, there's only one..Allis Chalmers
|
|
![]() |
|
jaybmiller
Orange Level Access
Joined: 12 Sep 2009 Location: Greensville,Ont Points: 24901 |
Post Options
Thanks(1)
Quote Reply
Posted: 12 May 2017 at 7:40pm |
|
welcome !
you've come to the BEST forum for information about anything. Lots of friendly guys here always willing to offer their knowledge! I've got 4 D-14s and have a 'mix' of rims on them. The original 'power adjust' rims usually rot due to calcium(salt) mixed with water to become ballast.sigh.....Sounds like you'll never need to adjust the rims so I suggest finding some 26" combine rims. I got a pair real cheap after a fall combine demo derby,that was 10 years ago... The D-14 came with a Snap-Coupler hitch system, think of it as a 3 point but upside down.It's superior in several ways,like NEVER having to readjust implements when putting onto other D-14s ! |
|
|
3 D-14s,A-C forklift, B-112
Kubota BX23S lil' TOOT( The Other Orange Tractor) Never burn your bridges, unless you can walk on water |
|
![]() |
|
squirt239
Bronze Level
Joined: 12 May 2017 Location: Brownsburg, IN Points: 69 |
Post Options
Thanks(0)
Quote Reply
Posted: 24 May 2017 at 2:45pm |
|
UPDATE:
I did an engine overhaul since I last posted. New pistons, sleeves, tune up kit, valves lapped, new gaskets, etc. I found out I have a 3 point hitch, but one side has a broken head (?). A friend of mine came over and gave me a new one, so that's a plus! I bought two new rims and tires from a salvage yard here west of Indianapolis. Paid $200 for the pair. They were rusted, but not bad. I put some naval jelly on them, and painted them. They look pretty good! I'm not trying to figure out how to replace the crankshaft pulley. I can't get enough clearance between the front and the pulley. Just trying to figure that out. I've also been told I need to set the valve gap. Not sure how to do that either, but I'm learning! I'm really eager to get this D14 running! I'll keep everyone here posted. Thanks for all your help thus far! |
|
![]() |
|
Ted J
Orange Level
Joined: 05 Jul 2010 Location: La Crosse, WI Points: 18943 |
Post Options
Thanks(0)
Quote Reply
Posted: 24 May 2017 at 4:27pm |
|
Welcome to the forum!
I don't have a D-14, but would like to have one!! Actually a 15. You might want to start another thread asking questions. You could have the title as "HELP with valve gap - D-14" There are a bunch of guys on here that worked for Allis-Chalmers and know these tractors inside and out. They'll see THAT heading and jump right in. (Pssstt) Setting the valve gap is really easy...... BEST of luck and again, welcome! |
|
|
"Allis-Express"
19?? WC / 1941 C / 1952 CA / 1956 WD45 / 1957 WD45 / 1958 D-17 |
|
![]() |
|
corbinstein
Orange Level
Joined: 31 Jul 2014 Location: Oklahoma Points: 796 |
Post Options
Thanks(0)
Quote Reply
Posted: 25 May 2017 at 6:53am |
|
probably have to pull the radiator to get the pulley off.
|
|
![]() |
|
desertjoe
Orange Level Access
Joined: 23 Sep 2013 Location: New mexico Points: 13748 |
Post Options
Thanks(0)
Quote Reply
Posted: 25 May 2017 at 7:13am |
|
Hey Squirt,,,,(thas a great name,,, ),,,welcome to the group,,,,, I too,,,have a D14 and i love it,, The harmonic balancer on mine had two (2) allens, and I'm told many of these tractors also had 2. I beat on mine til I broke a chunk off it and had to get another one,,,,then,,I find out there was another allen way down in there,,,,,Good Luck and let us see your new ,,,,Toy,,,, |
|
![]() |
|
lentsch
Silver Level
Joined: 10 Feb 2011 Location: Glencoe,Mn. Points: 236 |
Post Options
Thanks(0)
Quote Reply
Posted: 25 May 2017 at 9:27pm |
|
You might want to get a IT Manual. All the specs and repair procedures will come in handy further down the road.
|
|
|
WD,D15,190XT,7000,8010x2,7060,8070
|
|
![]() |
|
SteveM C/IL
Orange Level Access
Joined: 12 Sep 2009 Location: Shelbyville IL Points: 8761 |
Post Options
Thanks(0)
Quote Reply
Posted: 26 May 2017 at 7:18am |
I would not waste money on I&T manuals.Get Allis .Many(all?) still available from AGCO. In my experience,the I&T only makes sense if you already know what your doing or read it in the A/C manual first.
|
|
![]() |
|
squirt239
Bronze Level
Joined: 12 May 2017 Location: Brownsburg, IN Points: 69 |
Post Options
Thanks(0)
Quote Reply
Posted: 30 May 2017 at 6:12pm |
|
Hey guys!
Thanks for the info. The pulley came off no problem. And yes there were two Allen screws. But, now there's not enough room to get the new one back on. I've been told that the front end has to come off. Mind you it's stripped...no radiator, unhooked the steering linkage, all bolts out except front axle. Still can't get this thing in. I need about another 3/16" to get the new pulley in. I bought an Allis Chalmers manual at Tractor Supply in town, which has a lot of great info...except how to replace the pulley haha! Since last posted, I rebuilt the carb and replaced all the grease fittings and greased them. This week, when I have some time, I'm planning on putting the oil pan and gasket on, replacing the front wheel bearing, and maybe swapping out the two rear wheels and tires...if I can get some help over at the homestead. I don't feel comfortable doing it, and all my friends that know what they are doing, are in the fields planting every chance they get. |
|
![]() |
|
squirt239
Bronze Level
Joined: 12 May 2017 Location: Brownsburg, IN Points: 69 |
Post Options
Thanks(0)
Quote Reply
Posted: 30 May 2017 at 6:27pm |
![]() ![]() |
|
![]() |
|
AC720Man
Orange Level
Joined: 10 Oct 2016 Location: Shenandoah, Va Points: 5322 |
Post Options
Thanks(0)
Quote Reply
Posted: 30 May 2017 at 8:58pm |
|
Lol, your pretty smart for a squirt. Good luck fixing up your D14, great little tractor with a big heart. Amazing what it's capable of doing. Dad had one for years and wished he would have never sold it. Snap coupler 3 point but no power steering.
|
|
|
1968 B-208, 1976 720 (2 of them)Danco brush hog, single bottom plow,52" snow thrower, belly mower,rear tine tiller, rear blade, front blade, 57"sickle bar,1983 917 hydro, 1968 7hp sno-bee, 1968 190XTD
|
|
![]() |
|
squirt239
Bronze Level
Joined: 12 May 2017 Location: Brownsburg, IN Points: 69 |
Post Options
Thanks(0)
Quote Reply
Posted: 04 Jun 2017 at 1:51pm |
|
Another Update:
Wound up having to pull the front end to get the crankshaft pulley on. What a chore! In doing so, I found that the frame has been welded under the mid pin; unfortunately the weld has not held, and is cracked again. So, I will be welding some on the frame to fix it back up. I'm currently trying to line the front end back up to put the bolts back in, but it's pretty difficult to do solo. I've rigged up some 4x4 cribbing and a 3.5 ton jack to hold the tractor up while I'm moving the front end into place. It's just not happening one handed. I still have a few things left to do. Water pump back on, protonix ignition installation, finish making plug wires, oil pan install, fluids replaced, and ready to start. I'm now considering going to an alternator. I'm not sure how to check if it has been converted to 12v though. It did not have a battery on it when I got it. Is there a way to check? There's a generator, and what appears to be a voltage regulator, but I'm not sure how to tell if it's 6 or 12v. I purchased a 12v battery, but I'm afraid to hook it up in fears of ruining stuff. Any suggestions? |
|
![]() |
|
JarrodACFan
Orange Level
Joined: 24 Jan 2012 Location: Delaware Co. IN Points: 732 |
Post Options
Thanks(1)
Quote Reply
Posted: 04 Jun 2017 at 9:09pm |
|
Are there any light bulbs in the tractor still? If so, you might could pull out one of the bulbs and look for a part number and see if it's a 6V or 12V bulb. That's what I'd try first, anyway. As far as an alternator, it's up to you. Personally, I don't think they look right without a generator. My WD45 has a generator that has been rebuilt to 12V, and it looks original and works great.
Edited by JarrodACFan - 04 Jun 2017 at 9:10pm |
|
|
1956 WD45 Narrow Front Factory Power Steering, 1953 WD Wide Front
Allis Express in Muncie, IN |
|
![]() |
|
SteveM C/IL
Orange Level Access
Joined: 12 Sep 2009 Location: Shelbyville IL Points: 8761 |
Post Options
Thanks(1)
Quote Reply
Posted: 04 Jun 2017 at 9:43pm |
|
6V starters and generators had a black tag on them and 12V were red
|
|
![]() |
|
squirt239
Bronze Level
Joined: 12 May 2017 Location: Brownsburg, IN Points: 69 |
Post Options
Thanks(0)
Quote Reply
Posted: 05 Jun 2017 at 9:35pm |
|
I'll take a look in the morning when I get home from the firehouse. Thanks!!
My gorgeous, smokin' hot wife (:-D) came out and helped me get the front end back on Sunday night. Took two jacks, some 4x4s, a dead blow mallet, a large rock and a long metal bar, but by golly we got it back in!!! I was really proud (and happy) to see my wife take interest in this. She sat in her chair and watched me work for a while afterwards. We've been together 11 years...she's still my best friend. Tomorrow's game plan is to check the tags on the generator and starter to see if they are 6 or 12, put the water pump back on, put the oil pan back on, and MAYBE get the radiator in and fill it with fluids. My manual doesn't have specifications on oil weights to use or how much....ideas? Also, ballpark idea on how much coolant? I'm sure these are dumb questions with simple answers, but I honestly don't know, and don't know where to begin to look. I really appreciate everyone being so helpful. I'm looking forward to taking a video of starting it up for the first time and posting it to YouTube! |
|
![]() |
|
squirt239
Bronze Level
Joined: 12 May 2017 Location: Brownsburg, IN Points: 69 |
Post Options
Thanks(0)
Quote Reply
Posted: 07 Jun 2017 at 6:47am |
|
Well, it IS a 12V system! Starter had a 12v tag on it!
The Protronix ignition went on super easy. What a cool set up. Someone was a straight A student.... But, I didn't have very good luck yesterday putting things back together. When installing the water pump, the last bolt (on the bottom) broke off. I pulled the water pump back off and had about 1/4" of stud sticking out of the block. No problem. I'll use vice grips. Nope. Ok, I'll weld a nut on it. Nope. Ok, I'll use an easy out. Nope...it broke off in it. Well crud. So, my next idea is to use a drill/tap combo bit and recut the hole. I have that on order. In the mean time, I decided to pull the fan and pulley off to get a new bolt in there. Snapped 2 bolts off the fan pulley. You son of a biscuit eating bulldog. After messing with it for 4 hours, it was time to tap out, grab a cold beer, sit on the porch and lick my wounds. Today is a new day. My smokin' hot wife is now on vacation, the kiddos are out of school, and I don't go back to the firehouse until tomorrow. The sun is shining, and we have a full tank of gas. Sounds like it's time to do some road mowin'! |
|
![]() |
|
shameless dude
Orange Level
Joined: 10 Apr 2017 Location: east NE Points: 13607 |
Post Options
Thanks(0)
Quote Reply
Posted: 07 Jun 2017 at 9:08am |
|
you've gots sum good helpers!
|
|
![]() |
|
squirt239
Bronze Level
Joined: 12 May 2017 Location: Brownsburg, IN Points: 69 |
Post Options
Thanks(0)
Quote Reply
Posted: 13 Jun 2017 at 6:42pm |
|
6/13 Update:
Hub assembly is back on the front wheel! Oil pan is back on! New water pump is on! Few more little things to do, and I'll be ready to try and start her up! I still need to adjust the valves. Not sure how to do that, still. Just waiting for a local farmer friend of mine to come by and help me out. I don't have a key for the ignition, so I need to either get a replacement key, or a new ignition. I don't know which would be more cost effective. Also need a new temp gauge and sensor...they're cheap, and easy...like me :-) Planning on taking videos of the start up. Stay tuned! |
|
![]() |
|
Roscoe62
Silver Level
Joined: 22 Aug 2014 Location: Louisville Points: 145 |
Post Options
Thanks(0)
Quote Reply
Posted: 14 Jun 2017 at 8:57am |
|
The original "D" series ignition switches use the generic garden tractor switch and key, any farm store will have them.
To save your self future headaches, I suggest upgrading the entire switch with the HD version (with a real key) from Steve at B&B circuits. - Roscoe.
|
|
![]() |
|
Post Reply
|
|
|
Tweet
|
| Forum Jump | Forum Permissions ![]() You cannot post new topics in this forum You cannot reply to topics in this forum You cannot delete your posts in this forum You cannot edit your posts in this forum You cannot create polls in this forum You cannot vote in polls in this forum |