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 Topic: New Mig Cart,,,,,
Posted: 10 Dec 2023 at 10:35pm |
I am headed to Harbor freight, TSC, Big Red and Home depot, prolly Tuesday or Wednesday, to look me for a new cart for the Lincoln mig. I use the CO2 bottle that is bout 20" high and would rather get a cart that is LOW to the ground.
Any suggestions,,,,??
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Posted: 10 Dec 2023 at 10:42pm |
I acutaly bought a 2 wheel dolly for moving furniture / etc.... i built a platform about a foot above the stock platform and mounted the wire feed welder on it... i built a small platform out back to mount the tank on it... Easier for me to use a 2 wheel dolly cart to move around the driveway and yard compared to a 4 wheel cart... Now if you never leave the garage, thats different !
Here is my wire feed welder and plasma cutter carts...
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Posted: 10 Dec 2023 at 10:57pm |
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Posted: 11 Dec 2023 at 12:12am |
Hey Steve,,,I'm really liking your 2 wheel dolly idea for a mig cart,,,,!!! I really struggle trying to move the current 4 wheel cart around by myself is why I was looking for a better replacement,,,!!! My only'ist question is ,,Why did raise the mig 12", instead of down low,,??
I want to be able to move the mig with tank around where needed and even in back yard so the 4 wheel cart was NOT my favorite choice but your idea will be a very versatile application for a 2 whee dolly,,,,!!! That right there is a Great idea,,,,!!!!
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Posted: 11 Dec 2023 at 3:39am |
Save some disappointment. Get a 2 wheel dolly with hard airless tires, those chinese maypops only last a short time, in the desert sun... 
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Posted: 11 Dec 2023 at 8:07am |
YEA... my tires are full of air.. Seems like it leaks down every 6 months and i have to put a little air in it. I got these at Harbor Freight on sale for like $29. I wanted BIG tires to go thru the rocks and yard... Like Dave said, if BIG type solid tires were available, that might be better.. But i didnt want them 6 inch diameter 2 inch wide things.. Air every 6 months aint too bad.
JOE !!! Im 70 years old !!... Dont need to be BENDING DOWN to ground level too often. Raising the welder up a ways was just for convenience... Also had a plastic box ? drawer under the welder in the beginning.. Use to keep spare parts, extra 2 # roll, and tip cleaner pliers in the box..
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Posted: 11 Dec 2023 at 8:25am |
My welder is a 135 amp so it dont stick out too far on each side of the cart.. But i still have to watch that i dont BUMP the torch / wand when going thru the door way or narrow passages..... If you have the larger 220v welder, you might consider a WIDER cart to protect the torch..
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Posted: 11 Dec 2023 at 8:38am |
 Well, Steve,,,you are just a youngster,,,but point well taken,,,!! I am also always modifying and changing the ways I do ALL things I work on for strictly convience and to save my tired old worn out back,,,!! HF has a dolly I'm interested in but I'm leaning towards pneumatic tires, bigger the better , as they travel better in my rocky and uneven yard. It has the "D" handle and 8" pneumatic tires and 600# rating for the frame,,  Thanks for the suggestion,,,DIYDAVE,, My welder is a 220 machine, 175 amp so I'll take those dems for reference.
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Posted: 11 Dec 2023 at 5:29pm |
Joe, go to a flea mkt or yard sale, or junkyard, find some steel wheelbarrow wheels, with a couple bushings you'll be totin that wekder, where ever you want...
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Posted: 11 Dec 2023 at 10:45pm |
Hey DiyDave,,,I'm not sure I understand your suggestion for the wheel barrow tires,,,,but hey,,,I;m game if it saves me some dollars,,,,,
Actually I really like ole Steve's idea on modifying a two wheel cart for a mig welder cart,,,er carrier,,,er,,,You Know ,,,!! So, I went to the ailen City and got one of HF's two wheel carts. They were out of the medium duty (600#) unit,, so they let me have the heavy duty (1000#) units for the price of the medium duty unit,,,,!!,,,,I LIKE HARBOR FREIGHT,,!! Bought some square tubing on the way home for the Lincoln and tank frame for the 2 wheel cart,,so I'm on a ROLL,,,,,!!!
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Posted: 11 Dec 2023 at 11:20pm |
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You have the welder , just find a couple pieces of angle iron and you have the cart with a little welding thrown in . Mine has a place to strap bottle on back and a place to hang cables on the side . have though of a small box on it to put tips and shields in but so far in 20 years have not got around to it .
Yes I have 4 casters on cart , but the POW-CON welder I have has a removable wire feed unit , so can be either just stick welder or wire feed . Power supply is 220 V input but only weighs around 60lb so easy to move . Had a jumper cable made up so can take wire feed head to the work spot , cables from power unit are set up with twist lock plugs co can be 30 ft from power unit and do the welding needed . Made it up that way so I could work on dump truck boxes and such .
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Posted: 12 Dec 2023 at 8:28am |
I think Daves point was STEEL WHEELS dont go flat..
You can always CHANGE the wheels on any 2 wheel cart at a later date if you have problems .... can also MAKE steel wheels out of 8 or 12 inch pipe sections..
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Posted: 12 Dec 2023 at 1:33pm |
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The last welder I bought had a hole on each side on the back of bottom side that I put a rod through and put wheels on and then bolted a handle that i welded a u shaped rod to to hold the cables.
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Posted: 13 Dec 2023 at 7:19pm |
Well,,I got my two wheeled (dolly) mig cart bout halfway done and already second guessing myself,,,,
Do the electronics or the wire feed assy "KNOW" if the main case is lashed down right side up or sideways or even,,,gasp,,,with the face of the welder looking straight up,,,OR,,,do they even care,,,??? With the Lincoln Mig mounted sideways on the cart,,,,I would rather not have the torch sticking out in the path when you are moving it,,,!! It would sure enough be a candidate for running the torch into something where it comes out of the wire assy and break the plastic housing that houses the feed assembly,,,,??
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Posted: 14 Dec 2023 at 9:52am |
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Make the front support farther fwd and mount it facing fwd.
When tipped back for moving it shouldn't be that bad. Whi says it.has to be sideways. Think outside the box.
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Posted: 14 Dec 2023 at 4:00pm |
Hey THANKS SteveM,,,,
Most times I DO NOT believe in co-oincidences but dang it!!!! sometimes CHIT does Happen,,,,,Yesterday late,,I was fixing to put the last of the welds on the \last two braces on my new mig cart and danged if the friggin welder throws a shoe and stopped feeding any wire at all, so after looking it over I find the wire feed drive motor has gone south,,,CHIT FIRE,,!!!!! Checked with the welding supply in the Alien Town and they refer me to Lincoln as nobody carries any inside parts for the mig welders,,,OF Course,,,That tells me the friggin drive motor is NLA even tho the machine is only bout 5 years old,,,,, Does any one here have a link to somebody that carries aftermarket replacement parts,,?? TIA,,,
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Posted: 14 Dec 2023 at 4:41pm |
Joe... i see a lot of "units" for sale with the motor for the smaller Lincoln 140 .. and many "generic" motor drives... Seems like you can get the motor seperate , or you can get the DRIVE with the motor.. Some appear to be 12v and others are 24 V.. I would measure what you have for power... Dont seem like it would be hard to mount one of these to a welder............. from AMAZON.
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Posted: 14 Dec 2023 at 7:32pm |
Well, Steve,,I been thinking about that very thing,,,I cannot imagine the mfgrs specking out a different motor or even the whole drive assembly for every new welder they manufactor,,,???? Maybe they DO,,!! I been dreading that dang Shameless coming on and start accusing me of being "Cheep" just cause I want to save a few bucks,,,,you know how that guy is,,,,,!!! I'm gonna go ahead and pull the drive assy/motor in the morning to get a close look at it and mayhaps I can even dis-assemble the motor and replace the bearings or maybe machine some new brass bushings for it,,,More that one way to skin a cat,,beside,,,,,er,,,,er,,, never mind,,,,,, Thanks for all the help,,,Ya'll,,,!!
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Posted: 14 Dec 2023 at 7:43pm |
Grand kids had a 12v Hot Wheels JEEP that two small kids ride in... It had the same 19.2 v motor that was in my Craftsman Battery power drill and my Craftsman 5 inch skill saw !!... YEP... i bought a spare HOT WHEELS motor when the skill saw crapped out... YES.. there are only 2-3 different sizes of motors... Only think different is the GEAR on the end of the shaft.
I assume you have checked for voltage OUT of the Circuit Board to the motor and know the motor is the problem..
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Posted: 14 Dec 2023 at 8:29pm |
Actually Steve,,I have not even seen the motor yet,,!! I can only hear like a solenoid clicking in that general area when i press the trigger on the torch. Same noise as when welder is operating. I can see the drive wheel trying to turn and will sometimes turn almost a half round then stop. Keep hitting the trigger and drive wheel will sometimes turn a bit other times not at all. So, I cannot see what nor where the wires are going to the motor from.
It's looking like the welder will have to be upside down to remove the motor,,,,gear drive?? Wait,,,doesn't the motor/drive wheel assy come straight out,,right at the drive assy ,,,??
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Posted: 14 Dec 2023 at 8:37pm |
Hey Steve,,where did you find that ad for the generic motor?
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Posted: 15 Dec 2023 at 9:22pm |
OK,, a bit of an update altho,,,,,,there ain't NO update,,,I just did not accomplish a thing on the mig's issues today,,!!!!The wire drive DID start working this morning but it only turns at a very LOW speed even with the wire speed knob is turned all the way up,,,!! AND,,,the wire continues to feed out of the nozzle about 3-4" "AFTER" you let off the trigger,,,WTH,,,?? It does that every time after time. The motor will only run at a very slow speed with wire speed turned all the way up. Could the issue be the solenoid that energizes the motor or a bad motor,,,?
ANY suggestions or some kind words,,,,,
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Posted: 15 Dec 2023 at 9:46pm |
unless the motor shaft is SLIPPING, or the wire feed roller is SLIPPING.......... the only way i can figure to SLOW IT DOWN is to reduce the voltage.. Like i said, some of them motors are RATED at 19v and used in battery operated drills with 12 - 18 - 20 volts.. SPEED changes related to VOLTAGE.
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Our 12v wire feed motor measures 28 mm (1-3/32") in diameter and 46 mm (1-7/8") in length. The diameter of the pinion measures 7 mm. Two M3 screws hold the motor in and are set about 16 mm apart. Equivalent to part numbers WE6912 and WE04600141.
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Posted: 15 Dec 2023 at 9:52pm |
Joe... you said sometimes the MOTOR KEEPS RUNNING when you let go of the trigger... And sometimes it runs SLOW meaning there is a drop in voltage (thru the trigger ??))
AND, AND, AND... you just put a new whip / gun on the machine.. Makes me wonder if you got a bad wire connection... OR the new gun has a BAD TRIGGER ??
Maybe BYPASS the trigger and jumper the wires where the WHIP attaches to the welder ( inside) and see what the speed does ?
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Posted: 15 Dec 2023 at 9:59pm |
Discussion of circuit board and switch problems on the 180...
low voltage from the board could effect the SPEED of the motor.. but if it wont turn OFF, that seems like a sticky SWITCH...
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Posted: 16 Dec 2023 at 12:09am |
Hey Steve,,,YES the motor continues running at the very slow speed even AFTER you let off the trigger,,long enough to run out 3-4" of wire ,,,!!
Was tal;king with Thad earlier and he mentioned the solenoid that triggers the motor may be sticking,,,??
I DID disconnect the two wires from the trigger to the connections inside the box and then shorted across the two connections and motor done the same thing ,,,it will only run at a very slow speed and then will continue to run AFTER you remove the jumper wire,,,,to run out 3-4" of wire every time.
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Posted: 16 Dec 2023 at 7:38am |
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Joe I’d read the post from Welding web that Steve posted.
Maybe re join and post in the Lincoln section.
I’d remove the wire and test to see if the motor continues to run after the trigger is let off. I’d also hook up the wires from the old gun and try just for fun.
Play with the wire speed switch and see if it ever changes.
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Posted: 16 Dec 2023 at 9:00am |
Good points, Thad. I'ma gonna go look,,,
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Posted: 16 Dec 2023 at 11:40am |
First things first, Joe-
If the feed rollers are turning, the WIRE needs to be MOVING. If the wire ain't moving, you need to fix this first. Feed rollers grip and push the wire, and if the wire jams inside the liner, or the torch head, or sticks to the tip, the rollers will wear out quickly, and they'll also send fine wire dust into the liner and muck it up worse.
If you've been fighting this for a while (particularly if you had contaminated wire), then you need a new set of rollers, a new liner, and some workbench time.
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Posted: 16 Dec 2023 at 6:32pm |
Joe... i dont think the 180 has a Solenoid to run the motor... It appears the SWITCH turns on something on the CIRCUIT BOARD, and the BOARD feeds the power to the motor... So if it continues to RUN , either the SWITCH is sticking ( you said no).. or the INTERNAL SWITCH on the Circuit board has a problem... It probably controls the SPEED also.. Here is a diagram and a link to the operators manual.
page 28 .... the above takes a while to download..
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