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    Posted: 05 Feb 2018 at 10:35am
Hello,

I'm interested in your group's thoughts on the 10 most important Allis-Chalmers tractors. I'm working on a new all-brand tractor book that covers the 150 or so most important tractors in history, and I'd like to include 10-20 AC machines. 

Each machine should represent a technological leap or have made a significant impact to the market. I'm considering the first Persian Orange Model, Model WC, and D19 / D22. Also the electric experimental. 

What are your other suggestions? Looking forward to input.

BTW, here's more about me and the books I've authored are listed as well: 

Cheers,
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  D 14 the first of  the d series.
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I think the WD was pretty important. Hydraulic snap coupler hitch, traction booster, live PTO wet clutch, power adjust rims, etc. Not many of those features around at their introduction in 1948. 
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D19 Diesel. 1st factory turbocharged tractor
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The U with air(rubber) tires. The tractor races, Barney Oldfield.
Pre-WW2 A-C tractors on steel wheels...because I'm too cheap to buy tires!
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U, B, WC, WD45, G, D17 Series IV, D19 diesel, 185, 190, D21, 7080, 8000 series.

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The 7000 series and the 8000 series. They were both very innovative for their time.
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote WF owner Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 05 Feb 2018 at 11:17am
We all have our favorites, but I realize you are looking for tractors that were more innovative and were "game changers" for the industry.
I agree with the D-19 (first production turbocharged tractor).
 
The G was very innovative. No other manufacturer had anything like it.
 
The D-21 was the first "big" tractor (over 400 cubic inch) with a factory turbo and it was quite famous at tractor pulls.
 
The WD/WD45 (I believe) were AC's best selling tractor.
 
Those would be my starting choices.
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The B introduced the Torque Tube design, and was the first affordable replacement for a team of horses for the small (100 acres or less) farmer.
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One more for the G. It's being copied yet today.
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Hello Lee,
Thanks for joining. It looks like you have some interesting reads on your site. I would suggest trying to setup an interview of some sort with Bill Long or maybe tbran. Bill Long was a dealer many years ago and has some wonderful stories. I could be wrong, but I think tbran worked at the Allis facilities.
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Originally posted by UncleRuckus717 UncleRuckus717 wrote:

The B introduced the Torque Tube design, and was the first affordable replacement for a team of horses for the small (100 acres or less) farmer.

Bingo.
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Yep, there's a whole host of guys I'd want to interview for a book, including, but not limited to, Bill Long, tbran, Dr. Allis, etc. 

And now that it's been mentioned, yes the G is certainly revolutionary as well. As far as I know, there are at least 4 reproductions brands available today. John Deere had a prototype similar to a G in testing, but once the G was released, I think they scrapped the program. 
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Without a doubt the 8000 series, D 21 started the 426 motor that was a staple in NTPA pulling, the D17 was ultra popular, like someone else mentioned the G, many many 70x0 tractors were sold. The 6060, 6070, and 6080s had the best non Cummins motor ever made. Other than a 160 hard to get excited about the 100 series tractors.

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8030 and 8050MFWD, 7580, 3 6080's, 160, 7060, 175, heirloom D17, Deere 8760
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Definitely the B, it replaced the horses on a lot of farms.
The U, first to have rubber tires.
The WC, affordable for everyone and a workhorse.
The WD45, was way past anything else at the time as per horsepower and weight.
The G, the small garden tractor. Worth it's weight in gold (almost).
The D-17 Series IV
The D-19 D because of the turbo
The D-21, a BIG step up and still coveted.
Then on to the 7000 and 8000 series.  BIG steps and ahead of their time.

The side exhaust manure spreader.
The model 60's combines.

The Snap-Coupler system that was HEADS above anything else, then and since.  STILL better than the 3 point.
The traction booster system.

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If you are doing a book on Allis Chalmers tractors 2 people you should talk to are Chuck Cole of Cole Implement Media Il and Lyle Hunsley of Waverly Il. Both of these guys were AC dealers Chuck is still working at Cole Impl. Between these two men you can get up close and personal info on AC tractors. One of Lyle's sons is employed by AGCO.
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#1 should absolutely be the WC. That tractor is what put Allis-Chalmers on the agricultural map (along with the All-Crop combine) and without it I believe Allis would have been with the ranks of other unknowns like the Wallace or Samson tractors.

The WC was the first tractor designed for rubber tires and offer them as standard equipment and offered them with fluid in the tires for weight (Hydromatic tires) and high HP to weight with a road speed built in from the start; one of the first if not the first to offer as standard equipment, electric starter and lights (1938 and on); first successful tractor designed using high strength steel in it's construction; and was a very affordable 2 plow tractor. Not to mention it's quick acting gutty engine and simple design. Forget the WC and you don't have a book for me....... well if it's got orange in the book it'll still be for me. Let me not go overboard!
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Did the David Brown 2D pre date the Model G? Here in Australia there were a lot of 2D's but the model G has only arrived in more recent times as a collector tractor.
 
I think the suggestions above are great with the U,B, WC, WD45, D19, D21, 7000 and 8000 Series all up there for innovation. So hard when you have favorites!
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I have to put in a vote for the G.  Also the WD or WD45 as they were Allis's answer to the Farmall M and Oliver 77.  I don't think John Deere was in the running at that point, still building two cylinder molar shakers.  The D19 was an improvement over the JD 4010 and anything the other companies were putting out at the time.  The same for the D21.  The 7000 series was more of a catch up with the others but the 8000 series was again years ahead of the competition.
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Lee, after reading your Bio and looking at your works, it becomes clear to me that you need to get a bit of AC Orange in your system! 
I see you have a book on IHC combines, IMHO, a book on Gleaner/Allis combines would be equally interesting as they were and continue to be important and historicity significant harvesting machines, especially the All Crops and much later N series up to today's latest versions.
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I'm a big fan of the 8000 series.  I was doing some maintenance on the 8050 this weekend and feeling sad that Allis is gone but at the same time, what a high note to leave on.  It was nearly a decade before anyone else had a cab as nice. 
 
One other thing that I think needs to be noted is the introduction of the "traction booster" in combination with the "snap coupler.'  I don't know the year or model it was first introduced.  I suspect around 51' with the CA and WD45.  My grandpa bought the first CA in central MO new in 51' with a pin hitch (prior to the snap coupler).  My dad still talks about plowing with neighbors who were running big wheel Case and Farmall tractors with pull type plows.  They would hit a soft spot and get stuck and the little CA would raise up just a little and go on by.  They would be pissed and say "how does that little tractor keep going" and refer to the traction booster as the "cheater stick."  That also solidified AC in the ag tractor market. 
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Thank you for this! It's great. I am now figuring out how to reply individually . . . LOL.

One thing I will be looking for is machines to photograph. They need to either a outstanding restoration or excellent condition original machine, tho I will consider tractors that are beat up but still working regularly (I'm a sucker for working machines). 

You can post a photo here, or email me a picture, your name, and your location at lee@octanepress.com. 

Based on your input and my thoughts, I'm considering the following:

Model G 
Model B (tentative)
Model U
Model WC 
Model WD or WD45
D19 Diesel
D21 (tentative)
185 / 190
7080 / 8000 series
I'll also include the AC Electric tractor--will get images from the Smithsonian for that.

Thanks again! 




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Include my vote for the Model B. In the northeast, the small farms needed something affordable to replace a team. In the late 30's and prewar 40's, a B with basic attachments/implements for less than $1000 fit the bill. I still see them everywhere I look. Bob@allisdowneast
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Originally posted by leeklancher leeklancher wrote:

I'll also include the AC Electric tractor--will get images from the Smithsonian for that.
If you'd like to get your own current photo, the fuel cell tractor is currently in Hutchinson, MN. 
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I'd love to photograph the electric tractor, and I travel to MSP on occasion. Can you put me in touch with whoever has that?

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Originally posted by leeklancher leeklancher wrote:

I'd love to photograph the electric tractor, and I travel to MSP on occasion. Can you put me in touch with whoever has that?



The fuel cell tractor is on display at the Hutchinson county museum in Minnesota.
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Allis Chalmers tractors were the most intivated tractor in history one thing that is over looked on them is the wet sleeves.  as far as I know that was a first and also inserted valve seats and guides- air tires- wet clutch- power shift wheels a power director clutch that held back in low range-4x4 square engine- snap coupler the easiest system for hitching and unhitching imp. ever devised and always under rated in horse power. Allis Chalmers always had the best engineers.  Most companys with there first tractors bought rights from other companys  as JD did but A-C was home grown ! The list of Allis Chalmers firsts goe's on and on.
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I saw the electric (fuel cell) tractor at the Mcloed county historical museum in Hutchinson a few years ago and probably have pictures of it. As I recall it was tucked into a corner of the museum with lots of stuff around it hard to get good pictures. I'll have to root through hundreds of pictures on my computers to see if I have any worth while.

There is a slight chance the historical museum has a picture on their web site.

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Originally posted by 45 turboa- 45 turboa- wrote:

Most companys with there first tractors bought rights from other companys  as JD did but A-C was home grown ! The list of Allis Chalmers firsts goe's on and on.
I thought Allis bought rights to the Bull tractor, and that transitioned into the 10-18? 
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My vote would be for the Model E in all it's versions as it became Allis Chalmers first really successful tractor.
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