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    Posted: 02 Feb 2018 at 7:13pm
I would think I could find what I want it I knew how to phrase what I was looking for...
I am needing to repair a drive sprocket on a home-made feed cart. It was originally a flat chain drive sprocket that was on a keyed shaft that tapered from 3/4 up to 7/8. It drove a sprocket on a shaft that was tapered from 1/2 to 3/4. My grandpa had made it with parts from a deere 12a combine. The sprockets were cast and broke. I would like to convert it to roller chain while I am rebuilding it, but I can't find any sort of hub to fit a tapered shaft. Anyone know where to look? I realize I could have one machined if it came down to it, but was hoping for a ready made part. If anyone has any ideas I would appreciate it. Thanks!
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i doubt you will find the correct taper off the shelf. I would buy a sprocket the size you want with a bore the size of the small end of the taper. Then have a machinist bore the taper to the desired size. Use the old sprocket to get the dimension for the machinist.
 
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Use your tapered hub. Grind/machine off all of the old sprocket. Weld on a new bare sprocket onto the existing tapered hub.
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Adam. Our local welding shop carries a large selection of products like that. You might check with one close to you
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Would machining (or changing) the shaft to a straight shaft be an option?  Then you should have many more stock sprocket options? Not being in front of what you are working on to see what you are up to, this is just an idea.
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Originally posted by DrAllis DrAllis wrote:

Use your tapered hub. Grind/machine off all of the old sprocket. Weld on a new bare sprocket onto the existing tapered hub.
I agree with the good Doctor. Sounds like you have what you need in your hand. Cut off the old and weld on the new.
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Originally posted by DrAllis DrAllis wrote:

Use your tapered hub. Grind/machine off all of the old sprocket. Weld on a new bare sprocket onto the existing tapered hub.

x2. if your unable to to the welding and such, just take the two sprockets to the welding shop and they'll change them.


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I would go with the machine shop route, they will need the old hub to set up the correct angle I think.    Thirty min setup and five to cut the taper .
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Originally posted by Adam Stratton Adam Stratton wrote:

I would think I could find what I want it I knew how to phrase what I was looking for...
I am needing to repair a drive sprocket on a home-made feed cart. It was originally a flat chain drive sprocket that was on a keyed shaft that tapered from 3/4 up to 7/8. It drove a sprocket on a shaft that was tapered from 1/2 to 3/4. My grandpa had made it with parts from a deere 12a combine. The sprockets were cast and broke. I would like to convert it to roller chain while I am rebuilding it, but I can't find any sort of hub to fit a tapered shaft. Anyone know where to look? I realize I could have one machined if it came down to it, but was hoping for a ready made part. If anyone has any ideas I would appreciate it. Thanks!
Adam....Look on the AC combines.  they used a lot of tapered shafts with cast hubs and removable steel sheaves....Dale
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I'll check on an old allcrop we have laying around. The old sprocket broke into half a dozen pieces when it went so using it as a center would be hard to do. Trying to make the shafts a straight shaft would be difficult too. Grandpa had used parts of 2 12a john deere combines and their bins to make a feed cart decades ago, and though I don't need it, i don't want to part with it either so would like to make it usable. Thanks for the suggestions. I hadn't thought about a taper not being standard. That's probably part of why I can't find one... Thanks again!
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Clamp the old tapered hub in a lathe and make it round again. Find a sprocket of the right tooth count and mate the two together.
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As the DR said:

Put the tapered hub/sprocket in lathe... cut off the sprocket.  Turn a concentric land, and fit a roller-chain sprocket in it's place.  You could probably face the old sprocket, and drill it to make the new sprocket BOLT on, which would save work and prevent distorting the new sprocket, and in the case that the hub is not-so-weldable, you're not welding it...

If you have the shaft, then collet the shaft into the lathe, and put the sprocket hub back on the taper, so it all runs true in-situ.
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And yeah, I'm probably seeming a little pushy in expecting that Adam would have a lathe...  No, Adam- if you did, I'm certain you would've either already done this, or asked how we'd set it up if we were...  but I'll bet that not too far from you is a tractor enthusiast that happens to have the machinery and ability to knock this out for 'ya, and not destroy a bank account doin' it.  If you were my neighbor, I certainly would...
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I'm thinking the old sprocket and hub may have been cast iron. Anyway, Adam said it broke into half a dozen pieces, so I think he meant the hub with the taper is broken up and therefore not re-useable.
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Phil is right. The sprocket, hub and all, shattered when it broke and it is cast. I do have access to a lathe, but don't have a good way to make a key-way if I did get the taper cut correctly. I was hoping to find something ready made, but doesn't look like that's likely. I appreciate the suggestions. I will dig around some other old machinery to see what I can find and keep it flat chain if I can, other wise I will probably have to start from scratch to build both sprockets to something more modern... Thanks again
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