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    Posted: 27 Aug 2012 at 6:17pm
I would like a 616/629/720 for bi-weekly mowing smooth flat
fields.  But, they are rare and pricy.  So the other brainstorm
is to get a Cub Low-Boy (154 , 185 type). Are they good- work well,
maintainable, reliable?  The engine is 4 cylinder, water cooled.
I remember normal Cubs (cultivating) being Ok and fairly quiet.
Thanks for you advice.
 
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Are you ONLY wanting this machine for mowing?  If not I'd recommend something with a 3pt finish mower.  If you want to plow or do other work, removing the belly mower will get old quick. 
Of what you listed, I'd go for the 720 or IH185.  The horsepower is about the same; however, the IH 4 cyl will probably out torque the 720.
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Yeah, just a dedicated mower.
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I'm always unsure when considering, especially a older tractor, one that has a hydro.  A lot of the 616/620/720 machines have been repowered.  I'd love to have one just because it's an AC.  The little IH tractors are good machines with gear drive transmissions.  I'd go for something like the 185.

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I restored a B and put on 3pt  hitch and restored a 5ft finish mower . Less than 35 hundred.,does real nice  and got about twice the power of a cub .It will run on about one gal of gas an hour.
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Most Cub/Lowboys do not have water pumps.They use gravity to move hot water through radiator. Not a bad system if you don't over do it. Nieghbor has one and works really well for mowing until it get to be about 90. He lets it sit and bought a little ford to mow with. A little C / CA D-10/D-12 would be just right for keeping 5 acres mowed. I don't mow that much and I use a D-17 w. finish mower just to use it.
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I mow my 6 acres with a C allis with a woods L306. 72" belly mount mower. does a great job. I sit well above any dirty grass clippings. the larger tires on a tractor bridge gopher holes so you won't even notice driving over them. the deck Is much tougher than a mower. I go a whole summer between sharpening the blades. get a narrow front and you will be amazed how close you can trim around things. The only down side is if you hit something with it you will destroy it. I take the same tractor down to mow our church and its much faster than the new JD X320 we have there.
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I've been using this alot lately and like it alot. works great. if you find an a-c b,c,ca or a cub, a, or super a you can still buy these mowers new to fit them....Jb
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Roughly how much is a brand new woods belly mower (and mounting hardware)
for my 1948 wide front C?  Which model Woods to get now? C has hydraulics, under hood muffler. 

However, there are low hanging branches all over. That is one reason to think lo-boy.
Can that C turn tight enough? Brakes work OK.

Is an Allis Chalmers IB a "lo-boy" (relatively low hood, seat, steering wheel), and suitable for belly mower work?  I like the look of them little puppies. Does that frame make working on it a pain? You know, like difference between wrenching on a forklift (not fun) and an ag tractor (hobby fun).

I do like the A/C stuff and I grew up with that C. 

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they make a L306 wich is 72" and a L59 wich is 60" the c pictured has aL59. it works good and we have it set to the same height as our lawn mowers. not sure how much they cost.i bought mine used off of a b and put it on the c.....Jb   click on ag and turf then click on finish mowers, scroll down to L59 or L306 then product brochure, roll to the bottom...JB
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My D-12 III works real nice with a 6' 3 pt finishing mower. Power steering would make it nicer!
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We had a Cub 154 with a 60" IHC (woods) mower on it mowing 2 acres and yes it will run hot and was to under powered to pull the 60" mower but the big thing I hated about it was the fact it will not turn tight. A B,C or CA will turn tighter and have more power than the cub low-boy hands down. I'd get a CA and cut the low hanging branches off.
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Having owned two 154's and a myriad of Cub Cadets, as well as operating some Low Boys and F-cubs with mower decks below and behind, I'll agree that none of them really fit in the tight-turning highly-maneuverable category.

I have one question for you:

You're mowing 5 acres 2x a week during the 'thick' season.  DO you want to spend your time during those two days wrestling a machine for 4.5 hours each of those days, or would you rather spend an hour mowing, two nights a week, and spend the other 3.5 hours playing with tractors?  that comes out to 7 hours of additional shop-time...

If you want to putter along on an old tractor, and really need a REASON to justify having another old tractor, just to dedicate to mowing, and spending the extra 7 hours a week doing it, that's totally understandable.

If you want to get it done, and get back to the shop to play, then I recommend getting a good used 60" commercial zero-turn.

I can mow our 5 acres, even with a MESS of trees, flowerbeds, vegatable gardens, vehicles, tractors, and all sorts of other obstacles, and knock it all off in about an hour and a half.  Better yet, I can make macaroni and cheese for the kids, and my WIFE will run out and hop on the ZTR, and have it cut down in time for dinner... and she likes it as 'quiet time'... and after dinner, I head out to the shop and play with tractors....

Seriously... the amount of time I used to spend just SHIFTING between forward and reverse on the Low-Boy... or cranking the wheel around on ANY 4-wheel mower... if I limited the ground speed of my ZTR to HALF what I could do on a CA, I could still mow circles around it with the ZTR.  The time I've saved, gave me the time to do so many other things.  Most 60" ZTRs will knock down about 5 acres per hour, and burn about a gallon-and-a-half an hour.   My 154 would burn about 2 gallons an hour, and it took me two nights of three hours a night mowing it (48" Woods), then following up with a walk-behind to trim all the areas the !#@%# thing wouldn't get to.  I wore out my knee clutching that thing...


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Should have this one back from friend in a week or so , is for sale .
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My Dad mows with a cub lowboy. Very under powered and slow. Cute little tractor though. I mow with a C and will mow in any gear I want.
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Brian,

I'll chime in, since I have a 184 lo-boy we use to mow a pretty large area around the house/barn.  BTW, the 184 is the newer version of the 154/185.  IH changed the numbering of the newer version of the 185 to a 184, to make it fit into their "X84" tractor lineup.  It is a cute little tractor.  The cub engine is a bit underpowered in tall grass, but it also is a well built durable little engine.  The clutch is not the strongest.  Overall I've liked it, but as others have said, if mowing is all you want to do, probably a dedicated mower such as a zero turn will do the job better.  I wish the 184 had more versatility, such as being able to cultivate or use other implements in the garden.  Theoretically it can, with a 3ph, but the PTO turns at a different speed and in reality one is limited to a few specialty IH implements.  It sure is a nice looking, well built tractor though, and for well maintained lawns it works as well as anything.  Just don't plan on doing anything more with it though. 
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Roughly how much is a brand new woods belly mower (and mounting hardware)
for my 1948 wide front C? Which model Woods to get now? C has hydraulics, under hood muffler.
 
I called the local Woods dealer to get a price for a new 5 foot  L59 mower for my 1939 B.  They came back with a price of $2450 with caster wheels, hand lift assembly and all mounting hardware.  After hearing this, I decide to look for a used mower.  I found one on ebay for $400.  I am in the process of painting it and replacing all worn parts.  When I am finished I should have a mower that will last a long time, look good and save lots of money.
 
 
 
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I got my L59 back in 1991 and paid $1150 or so for it I believe.  Sure have gone up, just like everything else.  I just replaced the belt for the first time about 4 weeks ago.  I paid $650 for my 41 B and have been happily mowing grass ever since.  It is not a speed demon, but it gets the job done and it gives me more tractor time.   I mow about 4 or so acres with mine.  Take Care, Rick W.
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This old girl has served me well for many years.



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Coke, I have a Duetz Allis exactly like that for sale as well. Needs a starter.
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 All depends on value of your time and if you want to spent it mowing for hours & hours with an old unit. Or if you want to get job done and be doing something else. Most of us would rather spend less time mowing and having more time to do other things! Also wife and kids can run newer units and you'll have even more time! Big smile 
You can pickup a used Zero turn for a few dollars more! And you won't regret it! Go try someones older unit and then go run a newer unit or zero turn. DAY and night difference! And yes price is higher, but in long run its worth it to some of us! All about valve of our time! Even wife's and kids time.
 We have a CA with 6' woods mower that dad still uses a "little" as it was 1st tractor he sold new. But we use our compact JD and Kubota's with hydro's, are so much easier to get on -off, operate and getting around trees and such. And smallest one will do more in a hour than CA would in couple hrs. and lots easier on us!.  LOL   CA and mower would be much better then IH cubs and even 184-185 series though! 
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I traded my D12 series 3 for a ford 3600, the D12 needed a lots of front end work. I purchase a john deere commercial mower diesel, and I do all my mowing with it. Time cut more than in half, and I can get out of the southern heat and play in the shade. By the way, the mower only cost 1500.00, I can not buy a D12 for that.
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Yeah a zero turn will blow away anything else.  I would have to smooth out the fields a little I would think.

Nobody commented on the IB idea. Is that model not suitable for
a Woods mower? How is that to get on and off of is the battery in the way.


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I use my IB to pull a finish mower out back. I mow in second gear, and its not bad with the throttle up a bit. At my old property, there was a lot of low hanging tree's. My IB wit' my little butt on it zoomed right under and around them trees. I used to use my B to pull the finish mower. Darn near lost ma' head on them branches a couple times! IB is much better!
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keep in mind a cub's pto runns counter clock wise, so it's backwards. I would try to get some thing with a hand clutch that you can engage incase you get into a high spot of grass. much better than having to push in the clutch and mess around.
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I think this guys got the right idea.
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I apologize if this has been said before, but think about this 5 acres (that's aproximately 5 full football fields), 48"-72" at a time.  You are tlaking about lots of hours, no matter how much you love the tractor, that is going to get old fast.  You need something much larger, or you won't last at it.  Depending on what type of grass, or lawn you have you may want to consider a gang mower, that does 12' to 20' at a swath.
 
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Start watching Craig's List for a 72" commercial mower.  If the ground is level and doesn't have too many obstructions, it would take you 2-3 hours to mow 5 acres.

I've got a 72" Scag STHM like in the ad below.  It's over 20 years old and runs fine.  Engine has been overhauled once, but all the hydros and deck parts are original.

http://for-sale.yakaz.com/scag-sthm-for-sale

There are other good commercial units out there, too, and the fall is a good time to look for a deal.




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