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kurto 
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Posted: 20 May 2015 at 8:39pm |
Hi everyone, i am helping a pal try and find a starter for his model D grader that he just got. the tag on the grader says model MD serial 3326. it is a diesel but only 4 cylinder, i thought the D's had 6 cyl diesels. is this motor something someone retrofitted or did some come with 4 cyl. any help is appreciated, if a cyl diesel is standard does anybody kno what it is? I am assuming it is a Buda.
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DonBC
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Posted: 21 May 2015 at 10:49am |
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That would make it a 1966 model year. It would have the same 4-cylinder diesel engine that was used in the D17D farm tractor or 175D farm tractor. Some of the vendors on this site should be able to help you.
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Posted: 21 May 2015 at 12:04pm |
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Don !! Diesels were 6 cyl. Gassers were 4 bangers. Sounds like some one got creative. Tony
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Posted: 21 May 2015 at 12:40pm |
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Yes, you are correct Tony. I had a brain fart. Comes with old age. I have heard of other diesel engines being swapped into gas D graders so I guess a different model diesel engine in a DD grader would not be that unusual. Maybe that unusual MD in front of the serial number is trying to say something. Maybe it is a 1953 gas D grader that someone swapped in a diesel. If it is a round tube frame then it is an old 1953 D grader but if it is the newer square frame then it it would be a 1966 DD grader. The engine should have some kind of labelling such as Ford, JD, Perkins or a Japanese made engine.
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Posted: 21 May 2015 at 5:07pm |
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thanks for the replies and thoughts. it is a round frame and looks 50's I would think. the serial number tag has been altered, as in someone cross checked the number and restamped (like maybe a dealership) I am new to this site and will try to figure out how to upload a pic or two to see if you fellas can figure out what this motor is.
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Posted: 21 May 2015 at 5:54pm |
model_d3.jpghere is a pic of the injector and pump side. The pump is a Rossa Master again anyone that can help identify this thing is much appreciated . I did notice now that the tag has the name Shaw Sales, I am thinking the previous owner took this thing to Shaw and had a re-power....
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Posted: 21 May 2015 at 6:27pm |
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Certainly looks like a WD45 Diesel engine, most definite an Allis engine. Would that interchange with a D series grader Gas??
Went back and looked at photo 1, has a WD series grill too.
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Posted: 21 May 2015 at 9:18pm |
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I think to put the 45 diesel in a gas grader you had to extend the frame 6 to 8 inches.
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Posted: 21 May 2015 at 9:43pm |
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He said that it was a 4 cylinder diesel so possibly not an Allis. It is a 4 cylinder engine in the picture. The sheet metal looks as if it might have been taken from an Allis tractor. It doesn't look like the typical D grader sheet metal. I am surprised that there aren't any tags or other information on the engine that would show the make. Those graders had a large adaptor plate on the bell housing so I don't think that it would be that hard to make up an adaptor plate for another engine. The same transaxle was also used in the small Galion graders as well and they may have had a 4 cylinder diesel that they used in their graders and someone found an engine from a Galion to put in their D grader..
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Posted: 21 May 2015 at 10:01pm |
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I've seen Galion 503's here with both IH 282 6-cyl and one with a British type IH 4-cyl as issued
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Posted: 22 May 2015 at 9:18am |
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The engine looks like a Allis Chalmers D175 4cylinder diesel.
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Posted: 22 May 2015 at 11:18am |
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It appears to be a D-175. Same engine as our HD-3 crawler.
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Posted: 22 May 2015 at 7:01pm |
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Well thats a couple of folks who concur on a D175 i will find a starter for one and give it a try... thanks for all the help. If anyone has a tell tell sign to identify as a d175 let me know what that is and i will look for that.
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Posted: 23 May 2015 at 2:15pm |
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Posted: 23 May 2015 at 2:43pm |
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Posted: 23 May 2015 at 4:46pm |
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it looks as if his grader has a 4 cylinder version of the 6 cylinder diesel engine.
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Posted: 23 May 2015 at 6:48pm |
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Hi Don. Did the serial number on the Florida grader help with the motor I.D.? Ross.
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Posted: 23 May 2015 at 10:53pm |
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I don't know what it is but it's a 4cyl Buda w/Lanova fuel system
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Posted: 24 May 2015 at 5:12am |
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Ross, do you know what the hyd remote and brackets on the back of that grader are for?
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Posted: 24 May 2015 at 9:42am |
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Hi David. I do not know what these brackets were used for. The owner did not know either. I wonder if this grader had the rearend A.C. bucket/loader on it originally. I do not have a parts breakdown for this loader. I believe that Gilbert Vust may have a grader with this backend loader in his museum.
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Posted: 24 May 2015 at 9:51am |
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my nieghbors md has has a tool bar and rippers back there
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Posted: 24 May 2015 at 11:49am |
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Hi Mike. The scarifier toolbar on the 'D' grader was mounted directly in front of the operators platform. This California grader appears to have this toolbar on it. Some people will adapt a tool bar behind the grader framework. I believe that Don in BC. has mounted his unit there. You can see this toolbar in the picture of Calvin S. on this 1967 'D Special'. I noticed that the air breather is different on the one from California, than the one from Florida. Ross.
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Posted: 24 May 2015 at 11:53am |
 Sorry, the picture did not load properly. Ross.
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Posted: 24 May 2015 at 6:37pm |
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Don't think its the loader bracket, that mounted further forward on the grader, according to the picture in Norm's book...
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Posted: 25 May 2015 at 7:40am |
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Ross, that grader operator looks highly skilled by the look of the job he is doing!!
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Posted: 25 May 2015 at 11:32am |
Yeah Ross that operator is doing a great job. Going back to that 4 cylinder diesel in that grader, from the pictures it appears as if it a 4 cylinder version of the 6 cylinder engine. I know next to nothing about Allis diesel engines so I have no idea what model tractor that might have used it but it must have been a relatively easy swap.
Yes I did mount a ripper on the back of my D grader. It came from a JD 450 crawler loader so it is pretty rugged. The so called soil here often has boulders and decomposed sand stone so the ripper comes in handy. I also fabbed up a blade to fit on the ripper brackets primarily to be used in the winter to work snow in and out of corners. It has never snowed enough since I made it to even bother putting it on.
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Posted: 25 May 2015 at 5:48pm |
 DonBC wrote:
Yeah Ross that operator is doing a great job. Going back to that 4 cylinder diesel in that grader, from the pictures it appears as if it a 4 cylinder version of the 6 cylinder engine. I know next to nothing about Allis diesel engines so I have no idea what model tractor that might have used it but it must have been a relatively easy swap.
Yes I did mount a ripper on the back of my D grader. It came from a JD 450 crawler loader so it is pretty rugged. The so called soil here often has boulders and decomposed sand stone so the ripper comes in handy. I also fabbed up a blade to fit on the ripper brackets primarily to be used in the winter to work snow in and out of corners. It has never snowed enough since I made it to even bother putting it on. |
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