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briwayjones 
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Posted: 09 May 2010 at 4:30pm |
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Hi all my name is Brian and am new here. Me and my dad have had a Model C for close to 20 years that we have been dreaming about restoring. Due to lack of space and money we haven't done much more than barely keep it running over the years.
Anyway over the years going to different tractor shows I've seen a lot of different ways people slightly paint their Bs and Cs differently. The way most people paint the rims silver with the orange hub looks snazzy. Some people paint the starter black and sometimes some other components. Well when thinking about fixing up ours it got me to wondering what the actual factory paint scheme was on the Bs and Cs? I know the light housing were painted black from some old black and white photos I've seen. But it's hard to tell anything else from those photos. Where the wheel rims silver or orange? I'm guessing pretty much everything else was orange other than the lights? In the photos the starters look orange, not black. Does anyone really know what the actual factory paint scheme on them were?
Edited by briwayjones - 09 May 2010 at 4:31pm
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Ken in Texas
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Posted: 09 May 2010 at 5:11pm |
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The rear rims were not painted. They were galvanized steel. I think it is also important to do your very best to paint your restoration the correct shade of Allis Orange for the year of the tractor. All Cs when new were Persian Orange #1. Allis painted their tractors assembled. At which point in the assembly was the painting done is open for debate.
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Posted: 09 May 2010 at 5:14pm |
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BTW Welcome Aboard the AC Forum Brian.
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Bill Long
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Posted: 09 May 2010 at 6:41pm |
First let me welcome you to the Unofficial Allis Chalmers forum. With my father we sold the C for the life of the unit.
The C was sold from 1940 - 1949, with a production run of 68,281. It was a basic Allis Chalmers two row, one-two plow Tractor painted Persian Orange #1. Just about everything was painted when it was new - the starter, the generator, the front wheels minus the tires and the lights - the lights were "bagged" when factory painted. The rear rims were galvanized and were added with tires after painting.
I can assure you they were never painted as good as I have seen the restored ones at the GOTO's.
More specific information can be found in "Original Allis-Chalmers 1933-1957" written by Guy Fay and Andy Kraushaar.
Hope this has been some help.
If there is any other assistance please do not hesitate to ask.
Good Luck!
Bill Long
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briwayjones
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Posted: 09 May 2010 at 7:07pm |
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Ok, now it makes since why people paint the rims silver to mimic the original galvanized rims. I forgot to mention our C is a 1948. Thanks for the welcome.
We have been always been AC fans. And would like to get and restore a G someday also. We used to have a B also that we never got close to running.
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Jacob (WI,ND)
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Posted: 09 May 2010 at 8:13pm |
Welcome Brian!
You have found the best AC site on the net, right here! The best bunch of guys you will find, with a WEALTH of knowledge to share. Ask away, someone will know.
I have a '48 and a '49 C as well. Here is a post from not to far back with some pics I posted of the '48. I have it fairly "factory correct", though not perfect. Sometimes pics are worth a thousand words. If you have any other questions, just ask!
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DREAM
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Posted: 09 May 2010 at 8:46pm |
Welcome to the best forum in the known world!
My '46 C still has a few of the original parts on it. The starter is one that my grandfather replaced on his C, it had never been painted, and was orange. I believe generators and such got painted black when they were rebuilt, as that was the common color that rebuild shops used. Other components, like water pumps and such may have been painted black for the same reason. I have seen some old film footage of WD45s being assembled. They put on everything but the rear rims and the headlights, then sprayed the whole works PO#1. I have no reason to believe the C would have been any different. The rear rims were galvanised as already stated. Front rims would be orange. I think the rims were painted before the tires were mounted. Lights would pretty much be the only off-color item on the tractor. The film I saw even had them spraying the intake/exhaust manifolds orange. Even the wiring harness was in place. They just taped up the ends for the connections. Paint was made for protection, not beautification. That was ACs standpoint back then. Also, there was no "C" decal on the radiator shroud. Those came later. I am not sure about the Allis-Chalmers decal. I have seen the black decal with standard height lettering, and also the blue decal with the long A and S. I would think it had the black decal with no long letters, but i'm not sure. Someone else can tell us both maybe. I don't know if it had any other information decals or anything else on it. Maybe we can both learn here. If it were me, I would make sure that it was painted PO#1, and not PO#2 or other darker color. PPG makes a good match for PO#1 and the paint code is readily available on here, just ask. They can also help cross it over if you want to use another brand of paint. I just like the way PO#1 looks on the older tractors. The newer ones look better with PO#2 and cream trim. I think AC knew what they were doing when they changed the colors.
Sorry for the long post. Hope this helps.
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Posted: 05 Sep 2011 at 6:35am |
Welcome Brian I have a C tore down that i am working on bringing life back to. I am no ware close to thinking about paint but Bill Long and my Dad were there in the day. So this is the place for advice.
If you can come to the Mason Dixon show saturday I have asked those interested in A MD AC club to meet and greet at 4 PM we will be near the gate to the feature area look for the black 1919 model 6-12 allis.
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Posted: 21 Feb 2016 at 5:24pm |
Howdy All; I have seen AC b and c tractors painted a warm medium brown (?) and wonder if this was also a factory color. Any comments? Thanks, Skip
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Posted: 21 Feb 2016 at 5:29pm |
 skipstein wrote:
Howdy All;I have seen AC b and c tractors painted a warm medium brown (?) and wonder if this was also a factory color. Any comments? Thanks, Skip |
No. Only Persian Orange #1.
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Posted: 21 Feb 2016 at 11:35pm |
Howdy; Regarding the factory paint colors for an A-C 'C' tractor, what was (is) the correct color for my tractor? Thanks, Skip
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Posted: 22 Feb 2016 at 7:19am |
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Since the factory had never mixed a batch of #2 prior to 1960 everything other than industrial before that was Persian Orange. These days we need to call it Persian #1 since there is a #2, but if you are a collector of old paint cans they would never have said #1 on an original can.
The model C was produced from 1940 to 1950 so any that are seen at shows with Persian #2 or Corporate Orange, which didn't come out until the late 70's, are not the original factory color. Unfortunately if you go into a paint store and ask for Allis Chalmers orange you will get Corporate orange, which is why it is hard to get two AC's parked together at a show that are the same color.
Many purposely paint everything with Corporate Orange because they prefer the nearly red tractors and that is of course the owners choice.
The paint code for the original Persian orange if you are buying from a PPG paint dealer is 60080, other brand sellers can sometimes cross reference it some cannot.
On the C the front wheels were completely orange with no silver rims, that didn't start on front rims until the D series. The rear rims were galvanized as mentioned above, these days most paint them silver, the rattle can hammered silver cans can look quite nice. The rest of the tractor would be completely orange, however many prefer to leave the starter and generator black. The factory even painted the whole steering wheel orange, over the years the paint on the rubber part would come off so that would be black quickly.
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Posted: 22 Feb 2016 at 8:50am |
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Thanks for the info. I will try and find Persian Orange #1 by the paint code you mentioned.
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Posted: 22 Feb 2016 at 9:03am |
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Trying to mimic the factory paint job is about the worst job you can do. The whole tractor got painted on the assembly line in under 5 minutes! That's why everything got covered in paint: wiring, starter, generator, fan belt and even the steering wheel as Tom mentioned! Only the lights were covered up. Runs in the paint were common as well.
When you are ready to paint your tractor, my advice is to take your time and do a good job. I paint mine piece by piece and then reassemble everything (even the bolts, nuts, and washers get painted separately). The more time you take, the better the end result will be.
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Posted: 22 Feb 2016 at 9:19am |
Good advise! My C is new to me and I have to get in running first then comes the rehab... Thanks, Skip
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Posted: 27 Feb 2016 at 3:29pm |
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If these tractors were painted so quickly at the factory, they must have used pretty thick paint if they only used one coat!
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