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sunsation288 ![]() Bronze Level ![]() Joined: 02 Dec 2022 Location: quebec Points: 26 |
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Hello all , my restauration go well , and i just look at the pinion and gear for the distributor , the oil inside was slushy , have you idea where the lubrification came from ?
thanks in advance
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DaveKamp ![]() Orange Level Access ![]() ![]() Joined: 12 Apr 2010 Location: LeClaire, Ia Points: 6045 |
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Bonjour Ami- Pas
certain, mais je crois que le pétrole vient des trains avant. Si c'est
le cas, soupçonnez que le passage est bloqué. Ces engrenages ne
devraient pas avoir l'air si secs.
Guys- correct me if I'm wrong- isn't the lubrication for distributor gear supposed to drip in from some passageway up by the front gears? Edited by DaveKamp - 05 Jan 2023 at 5:19pm |
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Ten Amendments, Ten Commandments, and one Golden Rule solve most every problem. Citrus hand-cleaner with Pumice does the rest.
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steve(ill) ![]() Orange Level Access ![]() ![]() Joined: 11 Sep 2009 Location: illinois Points: 87109 |
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i dont think lube comes from the motor.. I think there is a plug on the backside of the distributor that you can add to..
I would be temped put a plug in that 3 bolt cover, and fill it from there. seems like there was a post a few years back where someone filled cavity with grease ?
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Like them all, but love the "B"s.
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WF owner ![]() Orange Level ![]() Joined: 12 May 2013 Location: Bombay NY Points: 4979 |
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I know I'm off topic, but where in Quebec? I am 5 miles from the Dundee, Quebec - Fort Covington NY border crossing.
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Steve in NJ ![]() Orange Level Access ![]() ![]() Joined: 12 Sep 2009 Location: Andover, NJ Points: 11979 |
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Wow! That looks like the Sahara Desert in there! And by the looks of the wear on that Distributor drive gear, that's been dry for quite some time. Fill that cavity with EP Moly grease and cap it up. Hopefully, the drive gears will stick around for a while. Those particular drive assy's have a hole right above the long Distributor drive shaft. When you dump motor oil in though the drive housing to fill the crankcase, some oil goes in that hole as well to lube that long shaft. There is a hollow tube that runs down the side of that drive, but hardly any oil goes down that tube to get oil to the drive gears. Best to put some EP Moly grease in there like I suggested. Wash it out first with a little Brakekleen first and get the baby poop outta' there. Steve@B&B
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SteveM C/IL ![]() Orange Level Access ![]() Joined: 12 Sep 2009 Location: Shelbyville IL Points: 8566 |
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Steve,what's with the 1/8 slotted plug on the vertical?
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Steve in NJ ![]() Orange Level Access ![]() ![]() Joined: 12 Sep 2009 Location: Andover, NJ Points: 11979 |
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Steve, That's an oil galley for lubrication to the Oilite mainshaft bushing. When Delco made the Distributor, after the mainshaft bushing is pressed into position they then fill the oil galley with machine oil and cap it off with the 1/8" NPT plug. Oilite bushings are already impregnated with oil (hence the name) As the mainshaft spins and generates heat, the machine oil is absorbed into the oilite bushing to keep the mainshaft lubricated as well as the bushing. An optional thing when servicing those mainshafts is install a zerk fitting and pump grease into the cavity. Not much, just a pump or two, and you're good for a couple years. What the grease does is push the machine oil around the Oil lite bushing once again and keeps the bushing lubed. That machine oil stays in there for years n' years. Just about every Delco Distributor I rebuild, when I press the mainshaft bushing out, that machine oil runs right out the bottom. After rebuilding the Distributors, I do the same thing Delco did. Fill the oil galley with machine oil and cap it off... HTH Steve@B&B
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SteveM C/IL ![]() Orange Level Access ![]() Joined: 12 Sep 2009 Location: Shelbyville IL Points: 8566 |
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The reason I ask is because a few years ago I pulled the plug loose on dad's 49 WD he bought new and there was some redish colored juice try to escape so I just tightened it back up. I certain it has never been apart and wondered why the plug as I've never heard it addressed before.
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Steve in NJ ![]() Orange Level Access ![]() ![]() Joined: 12 Sep 2009 Location: Andover, NJ Points: 11979 |
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Yup! That's the machine oil I was referring to. It could be Red in color or Amber. Sometimes when it's real old and funky lookin' it ain't either color! ![]() Steve@B&B |
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sunsation288 ![]() Bronze Level ![]() Joined: 02 Dec 2022 Location: quebec Points: 26 |
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Sorry for the late reply guy`s , you are awesome !!!
all your respond made sense to me , since the engine start and run well before the begining of the restauration , i cross my finger he will start easy after p.s. anyone know if it's possible to buy only the gear ? i am from eastern township in quebec and sorry for my bad english |
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steve(ill) ![]() Orange Level Access ![]() ![]() Joined: 11 Sep 2009 Location: illinois Points: 87109 |
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i am from eastern township in quebec
and sorry for my bad english Chris... i can guarantee you , your ENGLISH is 100X better than our FRENCH ! Nice looking 3 point.. Your well on your way with the overhaul..
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Steve in NJ ![]() Orange Level Access ![]() ![]() Joined: 12 Sep 2009 Location: Andover, NJ Points: 11979 |
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I used to sell the gear by itself, but as time progresses, they're getting tough to get and I keep the ones I have for the Distributors that come in to get rebuilt. Grab a hold of the rotor and see if the rotor moves side to side .002-.003". If it does, the mainshaft bushing is worn and the Distributor will need a rebuild. If it doesn't move you're good ta' go. When the mainshaft bushing wears, it allows the mainshaft to wobble. That wobble changes the dwell on the points which in turn the engine eventually starts to run lousy as the rub block on the contact set wears crooked. It also puts unwanted wear on the drive gear.... HTH Steve@B&B
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WF owner ![]() Orange Level ![]() Joined: 12 May 2013 Location: Bombay NY Points: 4979 |
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My son-in-law and one grandson, that live in Quebec, are bilingual. If neither of them are around, I recently found Google Translate. It makes reading and responding to advertisements from French Quebecers much easier!
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Allis dave ![]() Orange Level ![]() Joined: 10 May 2012 Location: Northern IN Points: 3029 |
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This topic had me worried about my WD45 beasue I rebuilt it and never filled the distrubutor with oil.
Looking at it, I have the oil fill cap where I dump in my oil after changing my engine oil. I didn't take off the end cap where the coil is held on, but when I dump in oil doens't it run both ways? Forward To the governor and backwards to keep the bottom of the distributor oiled? You've got we thinking I need to pull of the end plate so see if it's dry in there Maybe the passage in sunations distributor is plugged?
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Steve in NJ ![]() Orange Level Access ![]() ![]() Joined: 12 Sep 2009 Location: Andover, NJ Points: 11979 |
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That cavity gets grease put in it. When you dump oil in through the filler cap, most runs down to the oil pan. There is a little bit that goes in the hole to the main driveshaft, but not much gets down front to the Distributor. Clean the old muck out it (if it has some) and then Fill it with EP moly grease. Steve@B&B
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exSW ![]() Orange Level ![]() Joined: 21 Jul 2017 Location: Pennsylvania Points: 914 |
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EP moly. Isn't that John Deere cornhead grease?
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Learning AC...slowly
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DaveKamp ![]() Orange Level Access ![]() ![]() Joined: 12 Apr 2010 Location: LeClaire, Ia Points: 6045 |
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EP moly is short for Extreme Pressure Molybdenum Disulfide grease. It is also frequently referred to as 'Open Gear Lube'. You'll know it when you meet it, it likes to assume the character of a tattoo... like Anti-Seize compound, but a little worse, and REALLY stinky. The problem with using an EP Moly OGL on agri equipment, is that it will grab absolutely EVERYTHING, including dirt. The heavier dirt will fall off (and with it, take a little grease when it goes), but it WILL grab on and hold the fine abrasives, and turn it into polishing compound, so best to NOT use it on stuff that'd pick up lots of crud. It'd be about perfect for this application.
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Ten Amendments, Ten Commandments, and one Golden Rule solve most every problem. Citrus hand-cleaner with Pumice does the rest.
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Steve in NJ ![]() Orange Level Access ![]() ![]() Joined: 12 Sep 2009 Location: Andover, NJ Points: 11979 |
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Right! The EP moly grease works excellent in an application such as these enclosed gear cases. The grease sticks like glue to the gears, but it's lubricating properties do not break down easily keeping its consistency as it works. I use it in all the Distributor drives I rebuild. I use Castrol's version. It's purple in color. Yup! And it's a little stinky! Steve@B&B
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exSW ![]() Orange Level ![]() Joined: 21 Jul 2017 Location: Pennsylvania Points: 914 |
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Now you got me thinking I need to pop out my distributor and check it. Tractor sat for 25 years.
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Learning AC...slowly
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