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I am looking for advice on what small dozer should I be looking for to work my 40 acre Michigan property.  Mostly going to push a two track road in and remove soft smaller (3 to 10 inch) trees and stumps from sandy level soil and shape up a building site.   My hard working D-14 has been great for the foodplots, mowing and small bucket chores but I need a handy small dozer for the building up phase.     The  mostly sandy soil ground is easy to work and I do not have any big hills but there are a lot of soft trees as it is a popple cutover about 10-20 years old.    What would be a good size machine for a dozer novice and what should I be looking for in buying an old one in working condition?  Thanks       Ralph

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  My advice; rent a dozer first, something in the 75 to 85 HP range .See what that will do  for you. A dozer is the last peice of equipment a contractor wants to buy and maintain, but the are a necessary  peice for some tasks.  An 85 HP dozer will do 5X the work of a 35 HP dozer in the same time.   When the heavy work is done check into a tracked skid steer , they are a pretty handy  rig to have around. My .02

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   I totaly agree with Gary about the skidsteer. I prefer good quality steel tracks over tires to rubber tracks, much more versatile . Not to mention all the attachments a skidsteer will accept make them a very valuable machine to own or rent. Tom

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The big question is what is your budget?? To get a good useable machine you are probably looking in the 10K range and up. Then you need to be sure to look it over close, undercarriage etc. It is hard to go wrong with the smaller Case dozers 450, 550 850 etc, as there are tons of aftermarket parts out there and they have a good reputation.  For what you are wanting to do though I don't think I'd want anything smaller than an 850, as 450 and 550's are mainly grade finishing and backfilling machines not really to good for clearing anything bigger than 6inches or so in diameter. As others have said you may be ahead to just rent a machine, usually in winter the rental rates drop off around here for the more extended time periods for such as a week or month.

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