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nickia 
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Posted: 19 Jul 2023 at 9:57pm |
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In the near future i will be looking for a good used round baler thinking about New holland or hesten? any thoughts or ideas?
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Clay
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Posted: 19 Jul 2023 at 10:22pm |
I highly recommend Vermeer balers. Excellent parts books and availability (most of the time).
Technical assistance is good. Compare the size of shafts, welds and steel used in Vermeer balers to other manufactures. Best purchase a baler which has been kept in a shed rather than just left outside. Look at the sprockets and chains. These are the high wear items. Vermeer balers are built in Pella, Iowa.
Edited by Clay - 19 Jul 2023 at 10:23pm
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Ky.Allis
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Posted: 19 Jul 2023 at 10:45pm |
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Vermeer balers are OK, but in my area, there aren't many dealers and they seem to only sell Vermeer as a side hustle. Service sucks and parts inventory would fit in a 5 gallon bucket. Do yourself a favor and find a JD baler in good shape. Any model from a 535 to present. Plenty of dealers, parts and service if needed.
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dp7000
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Posted: 19 Jul 2023 at 11:09pm |
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Just my opinion.
Hard to beat a Vermeer. We bought a new Super J in 1987. I roll 400-500 2000lb rolls a year and it’s still going. Caught on fire 3 times. First time it caught on fire I backed into a pond to put it out. I carry 2 fire extinguishers now. Bearings go out occasionally but nothing major.
All my similar neighbors with JD or NH have had to replace their balers 2-3 times since’87
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Posted: 19 Jul 2023 at 11:34pm |
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JD....only a rare time I would support green.
Heston is now Massey and might be second pick.
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victoryallis
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Posted: 20 Jul 2023 at 5:01am |
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Only time I recommend New Holland is with hay equipment. Run a newer NH that thing can flat out bale. Decent hay I can drop a dense 4x5 bale consistently in under 2 minutes. First cutting did one 55 acre field in 5 hours and had 198 bales. They do have quirks feeding them but you get accustomed to them. The newer ones make nice bales consistently.
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DanielW
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Posted: 20 Jul 2023 at 7:00am |
Hard to go wrong with the Deere 435/535 series or later. But Vermeer also makes a great baler.
What price range are you looking for, and what are you pulling it with? That might be the most significant deciding factor. I'd probably choose a Deere first, with Vermeer being a close second and New Holland and Hesston being a close third, but ultimately I'd look at condition more than brand.
One thing Vermeer does really well is do more with less HP. They have some balers (like the 504's and 5410's) that can make excellent, full-sized bales at decent speeds with less than 50 HP. Deere balers are rock solid and can really move, but they can suck a fair bit more HP than the Vermeers.
Edited by DanielW - 20 Jul 2023 at 7:02am
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rick ky
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Posted: 20 Jul 2023 at 8:18am |
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i have an old 467 jd. best baler at the time 16 years ago. 4ft by 6ft. i have learned alot. first make sure you have more horsepower than what you need. jd pull hard regardless what dealerships ad jd say. vermeer and new holland pull easier. a friend of mine in nebraska had jd for 22 years and still bleeds green on the tractors, but now owns 3-5ft by 6ft vermeers. good luck
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Posted: 20 Jul 2023 at 10:05am |
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I still run a NH chain baler dad bought new in 1976. I did replace the chains over 10 years ago, but that is the only money I've ever spent on it. If they still made them I'd buy a new one. I detest net wrapping.
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Posted: 20 Jul 2023 at 3:15pm |
 200Tom1 wrote:
... I detest net wrapping. |
Too bad twine can't be made with the bale's...
Edited by jvin248 - 20 Jul 2023 at 3:17pm
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Posted: 23 Jul 2023 at 11:17pm |
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It seems when NH went to the BR they struggled with having everything "right" seems something is always underbuilt, and you gotta get the new model, where they "fixed" everything.
Meanwhile guys are STILL running the old 855 Chain balers. cant have an idiot running one, or you end up with a bunch of bent pipes, chains arent cheap either.
Lots of Old Vermeers and Hesstons still running as well.
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Ky.Allis
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Posted: 24 Jul 2023 at 12:00am |
Seems there are many guys around that have "MAGIC" round balers. They cut junk hay that's overripe, weed infested and has every kind of junk that grows, and their baler somehow turns it into "real good hay". Or at least that's what they tell potential buyers. Good luck, hope you find a good baler.
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Posted: 24 Jul 2023 at 6:18am |
Ky.Allis wrote:
Seems there are many guys around that have "MAGIC" round balers. They cut junk hay that's overripe, weed infested and has every kind of junk that grows, and their baler somehow turns it into "real good hay". Or at least that's what they tell potential buyers. Good luck, hope you find a good baler. |
Nothing improves the looks of hay like having some snow on it.(LOL) Really most plants that are called weeds have a lot more nutritional value than most hay grasses.I'll take hay with some weeds over hay that has been dosed with poisonous chemicals anytime.
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Posted: 24 Jul 2023 at 6:21am |
GM Guy wrote:
It seems when NH went to the BR they struggled with having everything "right" seems something is always underbuilt, and you gotta get the new model, where they "fixed" everything.
Meanwhile guys are STILL running the old 855 Chain balers. cant have an idiot running one, or you end up with a bunch of bent pipes, chains arent cheap either.
Lots of Old Vermeers and Hesstons still running as well.
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I run NH 847 and 851 chain balers and get along just fine,my cows and goats seem to like hay from a $500 baler just as much as hay baled with a $40,000 baler.
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Posted: 24 Jul 2023 at 8:34pm |
200Tom1 wrote:
I detest net wrapping. |
My cows detest rotten hay therefore we use net wrap. This spring I was feeding 22 month old bales that never been undercover. Lost at the most 4 inches on the outside.
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Posted: 24 Jul 2023 at 9:24pm |
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What ever you buy, make sure there is a dealer near you. I have to travel 50 miles one way to get parts for my New Holland. But, in the 20 years I've owned it, I've had to buy 1 gear. It's an older chain baler. I did get new upper chains for it thru the internet. They were original to the baler when dad bought it new in 1976.
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Posted: 24 Jul 2023 at 11:59pm |
I've used VerMeer 605C, F and H balers over the years. I've been told to avoide the A,B, E series. They'll require 2 sets of hydraulic couplers to operate, and PTO. Used AC180, 185, 200 and Case 70 series on them.
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Posted: 25 Jul 2023 at 3:40pm |
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I bale with a NH 851 autowrap. It's all I know. The XT pulls it like a dream and it can eat the hay. I just maintain a constant weave side to side and never have a problem making consistent even bales. It's string wrap and it's finicky on wrapping. Too much tension on the string and it won't wrap enough rounds. Too little tension on the string and the bale will expand too much. I replaced the apron chain and most floor chains a couple years back. It makes really nice tight bales. I've always wanted to weigh one. An apron chain cost me like near $1000. But those belts on the newer balers aren't cheap. Like $250-$300 when I checked earlier this year. Also you gotta keep moving and feeding her hay. Otherwise she can start puking it back out the front.
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