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Looked at an HD16B....engine question

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    Posted: 14 Oct 2021 at 9:44am
Based on serial # I would have expected this machine to have a 25000 model engine but instead has an engine with model # 16000T in it. I have not seen this model engine referenced anywhere and was wondering if anyone had any information on it.  Thanks!!
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote CAL(KS) Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 14 Oct 2021 at 10:21am
dont hold me to this 100% but basically the same engine with differences in power settings and supporting parts, piston pin sizes, oil cooling  etc.
Me -C,U,UC,WC,WD45,190XT,TL-12,145T,HD6G,HD16,HD20

Dad- WD, D17D, D19D, RT100A, 7020, 7080,7580, 2-8550's, 2-S77, HD15
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Thanks Cal. I have read as much but I have not yet seen a reference to a 16000T. I have seen references to the 16000 and the 16000H and was wondering what the T designation might mean?  Thanks again, Mark
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote MDRin MN Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 14 Oct 2021 at 10:41am
I guess my primary concern would be if this is really akin to a 'straight' 16000 or more like the 16000H; it seems the there aren't any engine kits for the 16000 but there are for the 16000H so that is driving the questions....thanks!
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YES like CAL (KS)  said it only oil cooler ,piston,turbo and fuel pump adjustement
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Thanks Gemdozer.  I just found something on TractorData that says the 16000-T was found in the HD16D and HD16AG which was the 16000H with a turbo...does that sound about right?  Thanks again!
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highly doubt its a 16000.  my old 59 has a 16000 and easy way to tell besides the tag is 3 valve head.  also a 16000 has smaller main and rod journals and different connecting rods because of wrist pin size.  alot tougher to find bearings than the 1600h and 25000 etc.  trust me!
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Hi Cal, everything you have stated is collaborated elsewhere as my research has indicated. What I am trying to establish is the model 16000-T based on the older original 16000 or the newer model 16000H. TractorData suggests that the 16000-T was based on the 16000H which is newer and I believe has the larger journals, rods etc.  Supposedly it was put in the HD16D from 1965 to 1974. If TractorData is correct, I see that as a positive as opposed to the earlier 16000 which is hard to find parts for. My apologies if I am not making myself clear

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 Allis Chalmers 16000T
 turbocharged diesel
 6-cylinder
 liquid-cooled
 844 ci [13.8 L]
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote ACjack Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 15 Oct 2021 at 9:39am
 Try looking up info on a 17000 series engine. It was a 16000 series engine with a turbo on it. That turbo was physically much small than those on the 21000 and 25000 series engines.

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Thank you ACJack. My two primary concerns with IDing the engine properly was to determine: 1) Is this an engine with the suspect 6 counterweight japanese crank, and 2) are there engine kits available if parts were needed? I believe this was an earlier motor with the 12 counterweight crank and that there are parts available....Would you concur?  Thanks again!


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I can’t recall any easy way to tell which crank is in it. 
 As to part availability there’s a lot of part interchangeability between the AC 16000/25000 series engines. Because of that I would think you wouldn’t have too much trouble finding what you want. 
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