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Leveling throat on L/M

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    Posted: 01 Nov 2018 at 7:23pm
Have owned several Gleaners and have never had this issue . But the M2 we have now has a throat that is unlevel . So much so that previous owners ran with one of the tires underinflated which has led to a weakened sidewall . What is the best way and how do you level the head ? Which side is easiest to move ?
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Dad had an E and I recall helping him do the adjustment, -an eccentric on the cylinder bearing, I think on the side and lined up the header with the axle tube.  I think only one adjustment side.
I don't know what the M2 has for adjustments.


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there are eccentrics on the pivot but I would bet the bushings 71169940 I think, is out. This is where the studs on the throat pivot. Usually this can be determined if the head is raised all the way - one side will move more than the other at the throat. Sometimes this requires machining to repair or a special bushing...check it out.
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On occasion, I have witnessed where someone may have rebuilt a throat lift cylinder ram(replace seal kit) & did not re-pin the cylinder ram into the correct throat hole. K2's throat has two position holes for lift rams. So, a quick visual under the throat can confirm if this may be your issue??  I don't know if Ms have two positions? Just check it out.

Or, you can try either side's eccentric to compensate for unlevel throat. But like Tbran says, a bushing in the throat's pivot housing may be worn too. 

This last month (October 2018), I replaced a K2 gleaner pivot bushing on its throat's right side. Surprisingly, my local AGCO dealership had the bushing in stock. Important note: the bushing has a full width cut that is located dead center in the lower part in it.  It also has a grease hole that lines up with the pivot's grease zerk. To remove bushing, slip a skinny knife blade or thin screwdriver under either it's left or right lower side and pry upperward until you can grab that side with a needle nose pliers to easily pull it out. Remember to line up the new bushing's grease hole to zerk when installing it. 
To get to the bushing though, you got to remove the whole throat. So - After removing all the pivot shaft's belts, sheaves, bearings, electric tattletail sensor wires, unhook/drop lift rams, remove the 8 eccentric mounting bolts (4 on each side), and disengage the return grain shoot, I used a forklift to lift the whole throat assembly, along with it's eccentrics & pivot shaft, and back it away from combine. If you can reach penetrating fluid onto the exposed threads of each of the 4 eccentric mounting bolts, it may help them from snapping off?? The lower rear bolts are the worst. I snapped off one of these on the right side. No worries though. Cause after you remove the throat from combine, you can get in there with a good long nose vise grip and turn the threaded end inward to remove the snapped bolt. 
Once the throat is out in the open, you can remove eccentrics & shaft to inspect bushins in the throat's pivot housing. Check each side's bushing (one of each side - 2 total). If theres any shaft play, replace the bushing(s).
After you reinstall new bushing(s), slid in pivot shaft & eccentrics onto shaft. Then forklift the whole throat back into combine. 
Each eccentric has 4 positions (clockwise:top,rear,bottom,&forward). When you reinstall the throat into combine, make sure pivot eccentrics are 180 degrees opposing each other (one side positioned down, one side positioned up). Then if the throat requires levelling, you can try adjusting from one side only.





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Tbran you have lost me ! I don't have a parts catalogue to see what you are talking about . Is the pivot shaft or point fixed to the throat of is it removable so that I can machine it ? If and how do I tell which side is wore ? Or do I just put shims in the lift pockets on the throat and call it good ?
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Agree with tbran. They are known for wearing bushing and stub. MACK
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AC7060IL Thank you that makes sense now ! Mother Nature says , you have time to fix that ! uuurrrgghhh!
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Those grease zerks get missed alot.
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Originally posted by OhKen OhKen wrote:

AC7060IL Thank you that makes sense now ! Mother Nature says , you have time to fix that ! uuurrrgghhh!
You are welcome. The pivot shaft is stationary inside the combine eccentrics. The throat pivots on this shaft. On the K2, it's right side eccentric was roll-pinned onto the shaft. The left side eccentric just slid on shaft & freely floats on it. Well, I say it floats? There's a snap ring on the left side between floating eccentric & belt sheaves. 
During this job, it's a good idea to clean out all Sheave bearings, repack them with new grease & tap in new bearing seals. Pay special attention to the shims inside the right side's variable speed sprocket (the bicycle chain driven sprocket that you rotate from the cab's side console to change cylinder speeds). 
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Originally posted by SteveM C/IL SteveM C/IL wrote:

Those grease zerks get missed alot.
Yes, they should be greased daily.
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Replace bolts that hold caps to side of machine with grade 5 bolts.    MACK
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