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clarkscreek ![]() Bronze Level Access ![]() Joined: 04 Mar 2017 Location: kentucky Points: 137 |
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Curious as to what land rents are doing in other parts of the country. Here in Kentucky some landowners are fine with a little money as long as your taking care of the land and some don't even want any money. Others want every bit of the profit while you do all the work. I'm trying to grow my operation, but I don't want to farm land just for the sake of farming it. I can understand to an extent with land prices so high, you can't buy it and pay for it in thirty years. It seems to me there is going to have to be a huge adjustment in commodity prices (higher) or land prices (lower)
or in my opinion there is going to be a future hiccup in our food supply. What are your opinions.
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acben20 ![]() Orange Level ![]() Joined: 13 Sep 2009 Location: waseca Points: 1001 |
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Around hear in south central Minnesota land rent is $275-$325 and good land is still selling for around $7,500 acre
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shameless (ne) ![]() Orange Level ![]() ![]() Joined: 08 Jul 2016 Location: nebraska Points: 7463 |
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have land next to ours for sale at $8250. per acre. it's just farm land, not good for building houses on. rent here is anywhere from $50. to $375 per acre. taxes on farm ground here range from $72-$92 per acre. usually CRP money won't even pay the taxes on the property. then you get to do all that work for nothing!
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ac fleet ![]() Orange Level ![]() Joined: 12 Jan 2014 Location: Arrowsmith, ILL Points: 2331 |
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Rent here down to $240. and less IF you are lucky!---I hear of $400. BUT have no proof! Land in are running around $8,000 to $15,200. tops,---Offered ours for $14,500 with 2 turbines, and,----and, we still own the farm,--- so not sure land is really selling that well!!! thanks; ac fleet
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clarkscreek ![]() Bronze Level Access ![]() Joined: 04 Mar 2017 Location: kentucky Points: 137 |
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I think most of us were implanted with something at birth so all we can think about is farming. I know of no other business with this risk, reward scenario.
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michaelwis ![]() Orange Level ![]() ![]() Joined: 12 Sep 2009 Location: Wi Points: 8765 |
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60 to 350
Alfalfa ground is cheap this year Some guys have dropped corn and bean ground 10 to 15 % |
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WD WD45 DIESEL D 14 D-15 SERIES 2 190XT TERRA TIGER ac allcrop 60 GLEANER F 6060 7040.and attachments for all Proud to be an active farmer
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LeonR2013 ![]() Orange Level ![]() ![]() Joined: 01 Jan 2013 Location: Fulton, Mo Points: 3500 |
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What a deal!
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Gerald J. ![]() Orange Level ![]() Joined: 12 Sep 2009 Location: Hamilton Co, IA Points: 5636 |
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With the variability in crop yield and worse crop prices, I believe that without renegotiating cash rents after harvest the better arrangement is 50/50 crop share. I rent my farm out that way. I pay half the seed, fertilizer, and chemical costs, all the land taxes and utilities and my tenant supplies all the equipment, buys the inputs, does all the work, and delivers the corn to the elevator 4 miles away which splits it between us. I have to do the merchandising for my share and pay those bills. In great crop price years my return has been greater than I'd have dared ask for cash rent and in poor price years, my tenant and I are still making a little money.
I generally sell at least half of my anticipated crop with contracts for harvest delivery. In 2015 I sold 61% at an average price of $3.80 a bushel (corn) and held the rest until March paying storage and sold for about $3.50. In 2016, I sold 76% for an average of $3.745 and sold the rest the day after harvest for $3.07. So far there has been only one day where the cash price was higher than $3.07 enough to cover storage, plus an added percent drying and shrink. I have sold 14% of my anticipated 2017 crop for $3.56. I really want to average at least $3.80. Most expect futures prices to peak in June. Gerald J. |
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shameless (ne) ![]() Orange Level ![]() ![]() Joined: 08 Jul 2016 Location: nebraska Points: 7463 |
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soooo...how much was your input cost per acre?
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Ryan Renko ![]() Orange Level ![]() ![]() Joined: 12 Sep 2009 Location: Edwardsville, I Points: 2332 |
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Here in southern Illinois we do a 1/3 and 2/3. Our ground is respected by our renter and we both share in the risks and profits. Ryan
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Ranse ![]() Orange Level ![]() ![]() Joined: 11 Mar 2016 Location: Tennessee Points: 775 |
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We haven't leased any land to row crop since the 80s, but what Gerald said sounds about right. The land owner pays half and gets half, he pays nothing and gets a fourth. That's the way we used to do it. I don't row crop anymore but I've heard people are paying $200 an acre. I have about 15 acres that I cut hay off of that the owners just gives me to take care of it. The hay is fair at best. My question is, would you send your own money to improve someone else's land? It would mean more and better hay for me, because I'm getting it all, but it is someone else's land.
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7060 ![]() Orange Level ![]() ![]() Joined: 16 Sep 2009 Location: Missouri Points: 1148 |
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50/50 and no machinery payments/ repairs/ labor? I guess I'm on the wrong side of the game. Rent is going down here and I finally ended my last 3 year contract over $200. I have calculated and calculated but I still can't figure out how someone can pay $300-$400 cash rent with corn at $3.50?? Even at 300bpa average I couldn't make that work.
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JohnCO ![]() Orange Level ![]() ![]() Joined: 11 Sep 2009 Location: Niwot Colo Points: 8992 |
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My cousin has quite a few acres in NE Ohio that he gets for free, keeps the property tax a lot cheaper I guess.
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Mikez ![]() Orange Level Access ![]() ![]() Joined: 16 Jan 2013 Location: Usa Points: 8689 |
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What's the rent worth for hay ground
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Gerald J. ![]() Orange Level ![]() Joined: 12 Sep 2009 Location: Hamilton Co, IA Points: 5636 |
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According to my schedule F, my input costs were about $221 per acre. My gross from selling part of the 2015 crop and all of the 2016 crop in 2016 was about $468 per acre. 2015 yield 207 bushels per acre, 2016 yield 199.66 bushels per acre with a dock for mold due to ears opening up without all of them hanging down.
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tomNE ![]() Orange Level ![]() ![]() Joined: 13 Sep 2009 Location: dorchester, ne Points: 1225 |
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I just rented mine out. dryland farm SE of lincoln NE. I rented for 65%/35% and the only input i have is crop insurance. If he can't make it; i will try 2/3-1/3 next.
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AC from the start of my families farming career till the end!
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dawntreader74 ![]() Orange Level ![]() ![]() Joined: 28 Oct 2013 Location: Manteno Points: 1770 |
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around hear the big guys will go an cut your throat to get 5 acres from a little guy' thats got a few little spots' an pay big money for it' just to take it from ya' an not make $20 an acre. an people keep giveing it to them' wail they sit back an make fun of you' kind of sick an't it.
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Butch(OH) ![]() Orange Level ![]() Joined: 11 Sep 2009 Location: Lucerne Ohio Points: 3837 |
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Huge variance in our area, the vast majority is cash rent. Small 5 acre patches owned by citiots who cant afford to build or the taxes will take about anything to get somebody who is willing to farm around the driveway, yard barn and junk they have deposited on their "farm" My renter has been offered several places for free just to keep the weeds knocked down. From there it goes up well over $300 for well drained bottom ground in larger chunks.
I have had same cash rent tenant for over 25 years and am at $150 per acre. I have very good ground but it is in several smaller size fields or it would be $100 higher. As an aside a local boy who made it big outside of farming blew onto the farming scene a few years ago with a wad of cash and raised the rent bar around the area considerably, very close to double (search Movers and Shuckers) As you might guess he was/is a no good SOB at the local diners. He didnt have enough cash to support his poor farming and other spending habits and the farming operation went belly up last fall. Funny thing is a lawyer who owned a pretty big chunk of acres in the valley was one of his land lords, rumored to be 1300 acres of crop land. And by the time the frenzy was over for the acres the good ole boy club had run the rent up to more than what the former "no good SOB" was paying, I have heard anywhere from $300 to $340 per acre, now there is a new "no good SOB" in the valley. I suppose it is partially because I am on the land owner side of it but my hackles go up when I read about greedy land owners being the blame for cast rents tha dont make financial sense. I do know that owners get what the operators are willing to pay and not one red cent more and if operators are willing to rent on terms that allow the owner to farm out the lease each year to the highest bidder whos fault is that? I say if nobody bids that process will end. Personally I know of more operators who are screwing older or absent land owners out of $$$ than the other way around,,, That isnt going to get me a most popular person award on here but it is non the less factual. |
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Gerald J. ![]() Orange Level ![]() Joined: 12 Sep 2009 Location: Hamilton Co, IA Points: 5636 |
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Every couple years, ISU Extension does a series of seminars around the state about land rent for landlords. I went once, and the point they made was that its easy to bid up cash rents and to get them above the renter's profit of crop production so that the renter is guaranteed to lose money on the land. That can lead to failing to pay or giving up and not coming back the next year.
I've heard of Iowa rents up to $450 an acre for corn. That might work with $6 corn, but I don't think that leads to profit for the renter with $3.50 corn. My tenant farms a couple thousand acres, but gave up the farm across the road from his house when the rent went up to $350 a couple years ago. There are some benefits for the land owner with cash rent, no work other than finding renters and collecting the agreed rent, and a simpler income tax return. With crop share I file form F as if I was farming, and I have to do the merchandising. My tenant allows me to suggest inputs, seed, and crop selection but I leave those to him and he works hard at using his purchasing power to get great prices. He spends all winter shopping for those inputs. He also mows the road ditch and around the buildings occasionally. So far I haven't missed riding the combine at harvest either, then I go to the elevator and pick up the delivery tickets and the check for the contracted corn. So I participate a little. Occasionally I move his pickup and head trailer from farm to farm or haul him to get some machinery. Gerald J. |
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Stan IL&TN ![]() Orange Level ![]() Joined: 13 Sep 2009 Location: Elvis Land Points: 6730 |
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Farm in Southern Illinois and is also 1/3 - 2/3 split/share. Seems to work out OK for us both. Only had two farmers operate on our farm since dad retired in 1985. Our current farmer is a BTO and I'm always amazed when they till, plant and spray the whole farm in 2 days.
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7060 ![]() Orange Level ![]() ![]() Joined: 16 Sep 2009 Location: Missouri Points: 1148 |
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Land rents went way up here a few years ago when investors realized they could buy farms and get more return than putting it in the bank. All worked fine and dandy for a few years. The land jockeys would buy a farm and have someone like me to clean it up and lock in a 3 year rent contract and then sell the farm to some investor that never even seen the farm. I dozed off hundreds of acres of brush that hasn't been farmed in years and then what started happening was we would clean the farm up and it would sell again and after I worked to clean it up and make something out of it the new land owner would want to raise the rent again or rent it to someone else because it was worth more. When crop prices started to fall so did rent bids and before long investors were trying to flip farms as fast as they could. A farmer near me kept renting the farms at the high rent to keep the land jockeys happy and ended up going broke. A farm that he rented for $250 an acre and planted over 4' tall sprouts and multifora rose, when he went broke the landowners were so desperate to find someone to farm it they rented it to me for 3 years at $100 and me clean it up.
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dawntreader74 ![]() Orange Level ![]() ![]() Joined: 28 Oct 2013 Location: Manteno Points: 1770 |
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ya' you thank there doing you right' you clean it up' do them right' so they can give it to someone else' user's is what it's called.
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Allis dave ![]() Orange Level ![]() Joined: 10 May 2012 Location: Northern IN Points: 3031 |
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We have some of those investors here too. Buying up farm for tons of money. They went bankrupt 1-2 years ago, but guess what? They're out buying farm again. Doesn't seem right to pay too much have the debt forgiven, then start all over. Something's wrong with bankruptcy laws, but now we're way off track...
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Jwmac7060 ![]() Orange Level ![]() ![]() Joined: 04 Jan 2014 Location: Indiana Points: 929 |
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165 to 375 around here...I don't have any 165 or 375....200 is probably the average and at that we still can't make money
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Lonn ![]() Orange Level ![]() ![]() Joined: 16 Sep 2009 Location: Назарово,Russia Points: 29792 |
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I pay 165 but that's cheap. Around here the government will pay a land owner about 300 to put it in a CRP type program. Makes it tough to find affordable land to rent when the government starts it at 300. The reason I get land at 165 is that it's small pieces that large farmers won't look at and the guy hates the government and I hired him to build my $100,000 shed/shop. The other factor that I'm starting to notice is that the DNR is grabbing lots of acres in the area and permanently taking them out of production.
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Mikez ![]() Orange Level Access ![]() ![]() Joined: 16 Jan 2013 Location: Usa Points: 8689 |
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Lonn what's DNR
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7060 ![]() Orange Level ![]() ![]() Joined: 16 Sep 2009 Location: Missouri Points: 1148 |
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Department of natural resources
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Mikez ![]() Orange Level Access ![]() ![]() Joined: 16 Jan 2013 Location: Usa Points: 8689 |
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Oh. Simular stuff going on around here to. Just different names
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marnetromburg ![]() Bronze Level ![]() ![]() Joined: 18 Feb 2022 Location: USA Points: 4 |
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I saw that land rents went way up in Kentucky a few years ago.
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Allis Magoo ![]() Bronze Level ![]() ![]() Joined: 14 Jan 2014 Location: Md Points: 123 |
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Central to Western Maryland
Hay ground is 40 dollars Rough crop ground 50 to 70 Good ground crop 70 to 100 maybe more under the right condition We have limestone! And lots of it. We have roads like old forge because the steel companies had alot of farms in our area years ago. We also have many quarries. No till is the best thing that ever happened lol |
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