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    Posted: 17 Mar 2023 at 10:53pm
Hello
There was an older post talking about land planes. 
When you search the net, it seems they’re all located down south. Nobody must ever want level fields up in north east.
Iv picked up new to us fields and they’re terrible uneven. Lots of old dead furrows. I worked some up and seeded winter rye. My cultipacker didn’t do vary good. I thought of getting a field cultivator but think even that won’t do it good enough. In the end going to seed them for hay ground. And want smooth. 
Anyone use land planes in fields like this. 
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There’s a tow behind land plane made by industrias America. And 3pt tufline on tractor house
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In my opinion Mike, you may be trying to address the problem too rapidly. I never think about seeding a field down to hay in a single year, it is a multiple year project. Let's face it when guys like us pick up acreage , it is because the 1200 cow dairy down the road doesn't want it. These are field that haven't been properly maintained and they often so irregular they have a lot of dead furrows. I try to have at least a two (preferably three) year rotation until it is ready for hay. Normally first year get a good soil sample, start putting your lime down to correct ph, burn off the existing growth with round up , and vertical tillage to a round up ready crop. That way for year two you should have a field without a hardpan that you can start to level up. Not going to lie, I am looking forward to all the responses who have a different approach .
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I would row crop it at least one year. That will help tremendously. JMHO Tracy
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I would use a field cultivator.  I leveled 15 acres that had a vineyard planted 6x10 foot vine spacing. Removed with a excavator probably a 36 inch bucket. Scooped about 2 foot deep to pull up lots of roots. Doing 5 rows each pass of excavator, kind of windrowing  the vines. The raked with a dozer. So one in 5 rows a little bit filled back in.

It got left with the pot holes for 2 years and pastured.  Could not drive a ATV across it without falling in so holes. Ran a chisel plow about 12 inches deep 3 directions which helped a lot. Then 2 passes with cultivator and harrows. You could then drive across with a pickup and not beat it to death.

The land plane was used in furrow irrigated land. Low places would pond and kill off crop as well as take extra water to get water to the far end of furrows wet. But took real horse power to, part of why tracked tractors where so common for heavy tillage in the west. But water being a limiting factor, get water efference was worth higher cost to level.

A cultivator will not make it level to the degree a land plane would. But will round off the big dips and ridges.  You need it worked close to a foot deep to have loose soil to move with a cultivator, for the kind of leveling you want. From another discussion here just days ago the older models that don't have as much trash clearance (cheaper today) are going to move dirt a bit faster.

In the steeper county in the mountains I farm in with lots of rock, the heavy 9 inch or wider spaced disc has been the primary tillage tool. Always prone to some ridging, generally used going round and round in a field. So I generally do field cultivating at a angle to the discing and back and forth to do away with any ridging. So to have as much benefit as possible from cultivating in you case at least 3 different angles would be good.

But not knowing your soil and rain patterns maybe making more loose soil is a recipe to create more ditches.   
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When we would sow down hay ground we would sow after cutting a crop of corn silage off the field most of the time (weed control) help to clean up unwanted weeds
We have sowed down fields coming out of pasture or old hayfields that the stand had gone away
Best way we found to level ground is use a heavy disk or bog I really like a John Deere 1630 bog disk (please don’t hold that against me) work it 2 or 3 times and put a drag on it we use a 12inch I beam for a drag got to be big and heavy to move dirt take your time to allow the drag to work. Try to pull it fast and the drag will bounce over a lot. We also do this on newly cleared ground after I use the cutting blade and then rake everything we pick up the big stuff I’ve missed with the root rake with a grapple then we bog it several times with a drag behind the bog that’s what has worked for us in Tennessee
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Is your field 10 acres or 100 ? I can see this being an expensive operation if a large field.
On a very small scale, I used my 3furrow plow to cut the tops off the 'hills', let set for 2 days(dry up a bit...),then used the rear blade to lay the material into the 'valley'. I did this 2-3 times to even up the hills and valleys, then ran discs with trailing big Ibeam, N-S, E-W a few times. Overall it got pretty level.  It might work though to get the worst ones this year ?
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Thank you guys. 
Yes I agree on rotating crop before seeding hay. I’ll try field cultivator after disk and before cultipacker.
The ibeam probably does what some land planes do.
The one farm is maybe 20 acres but not in one piece.
 Other is 13 and I worked half into winter rye.
Thanks again


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