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    Posted: 14 Aug 2011 at 7:28pm
hey i went to the local tractor pulls yesterday and why does it seem that all the stock farm tractors are juiced up. seems like they are turning much higher rpms and the diesels blow alot of black smoke. im looking to make a 190xt into a weekend puller but still usable on the farm. any ideas how to turn it up? im sure it has to do with the injection pumop but is this something that can be done on a buget?
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I have been thinking about doing the same thing. We have alot of IH 460's with the 806 motor in them that pretty much have the captive on the 10,000lb class. I need to rectify that, but its a time/money thing......
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My brother had two different injector pumps for his 200.  one for farming and one for pulling.  Lots of HP difference.
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This is why I don't go to tractor pulls anymore. I want to see a true farm tractor in pulls, straight out of the field if you know what I mean. Many years ago when I would go, I alway's got and left as soon as the suped-up ones started.
I tried to follow the science, but it was not there. I then followed the money, and that’s where I found the science.
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Farm stock is not stock! 
although the tuners do get surprised ever so often by stock tractors that outpull them. Locally there is no MPH limit on those classes and they use road gear with fire and smoke a blowing. The announcer always jokes that he would like to see them out in the field doing that 
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My Grandpa had a 220 and my Uncle had a 210 and when they plowed they would shoot a foot of flame out the stack.  My uncle said they could pull a 7 or 8 bottom? and hang the front end all the way down the field. Never had one issue until the 220 snapped an axle in a furrow. Never pulled them dont own them now guess im the only thats seen that in the field. No they werent stock yes they were farmed.
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My almost stock wd (has M&W pistons and liners, but i got it that way) pulled really good this weekend on half a float in the carb. If my carb was working good I would have made better than 3 3rd places. A good wd or wd45 has plenty enough power for the 4000 4500 and 5000lb classes. you just need the tractor set up to pull that track.

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how would you not melt your manifold with it glowing red like that?
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Originally posted by Lars(wi) Lars(wi) wrote:

This is why I don't go to tractor pulls anymore. I want to see a true farm tractor in pulls, straight out of the field if you know what I mean. Many years ago when I would go, I alway's got and left as soon as the suped-up ones started.
Agreed. But as long as the 460's with there 806 motors are there and nooone says anything, I might as well throw an allis chalmers in the mix
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In the early days of tracto pulling (70's) there was a guy about an hour from here that was a mechanic at the AC dealership and pulled on weekends.  He pulled with the same 190XT he depended on as his main farm tractor.  He would turn the pump up (I'm not a diesel mechanic so I don't know exactly what that means) and pull then turn it back down to farm.    Of course that was before the guys got serious about "stock" pulling.
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Having been a guy that has helped put on pulls, almost my entire life, and seeing what goes on in the pits, I can tell you that with a few exceptions, aint nothing stock about the stock farm class.  In fact it got to the point that nobody wanted to bring tractors in from the field about 7-10 years ago because all of the tuning that was going on, by the deere mechanics, who just happened to be farmers.  So for the last 5ish or more years, we don't even offer a farm stock class in any weight.
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Originally posted by Charlie175 Charlie175 wrote:

how would you not melt your manifold with it glowing red like that?
 
Metal starts glowing red in dark at around 750 F it starts melting at around 2500.
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Here are our rules, not that they stick to them

Farm Tractor Class Rules – Only Tractors 1960 or newer

  1. Weight Classes: 8,000 lb. – 10,000 lb. – 12,000 lb. – 15,000 lb.
  2. Torque Converters and automatic shifts are permitted.  No slipper clutches.
  3. Contests open to two (2) wheel drive, rubber tired tractors.  No 4-wheel drives, dual tires, chains or studded tires.  All power must be transmitted through the rear wheels.
  4. The width is limited to a maximum of 24.5”.
  5. No external engine modifications.  Factory pump for make and model of tractor.  If turbocharger has been added, must be OEM stock turbo and manifold for make and model of tractor.  No performance enhanced updated turbos allowed in stock class.  No open turbo intakes.  All intake hoses must be stock from factory.
  6. No mixing of fuels allowed.  Tractor must use the fuel the factory engine was designed for.  No fuel additives or water injection.
  7. A no-stripping regulation will be enforced only if parts removed render the tractor unsafe to drive.  Specific items illegal to remove are either front wheels, hood, grill assembly, rear fender.  All sheet metal, hoods, fender, dash, grills and fuel tanks have to be in original location as from factory.
  8. Any supplement to the drawbar such as hitching rings or plow couplers must conform to the 20” maximum height to the top of the device, parallel to the ground and a minimum of 18” from the center of the rear axle.  Supplement drawbars must be a minimum of 1” thick and with at least a 3” hole.  No weights or brackets may be within 8” side to side or 12” above center of hook.
  9. Maximum RPM  - 2800 RPM.  No building of extreme RPM’s or turbo boost allowed on take off.
  10. Straight pipes will be allowed in place of vertical muffler if they extend 18” above the hood.  Underneath exhaust systems must be a factory system in original condition.  NO RAIN CAPS ALLOWED.
  11. Custom built weight frames are allowed behind front wheels.  No weights shall exceed more than 24” in front of the foremost portion of the tractor.  No weights may extend past the rear tires and all weights must be secured.  Any weight lost during pull is automatic disqualification.
  12. Skid bars and side shields are recommended for insurance regulations.  Skid bars must be a minimum of 32” behind center of rear axle.  Bars must be no more than 10” off ground.  Contact patch must be 5 sq. in. (5” X 5”).  Bars must be able to support weight of tractor in heaviest class.  If tractor is not equipped with skid bars, forward progress will be stopped when front wheels are an unsafe distance from ground.
  13. No alteration to wheel base or frame.  Front end must be as available from the manufacturer for make and model of tractor.
  14. Tractor shall be subject to official Tech Inspection to pull.
  15. Driver must be fully clothed and while not required, it is recommended driver wear helmet.  No shorts.
  16. Any equipment lost while hooked to sled is an automatic disqualification.
  17. Tractor can only hook in two (2) classes.
  18. No excessive wheelies on take off.  Front wheels are limited to 6” off ground.
  19. All PTO’s, hydraulics must be operational like on the farm.
  20. All engines have to be original size for tractor.  No factory updated engine.
  21. All injection pumps must be OEM for make and model of tractor.  No inline pumps for rotary.
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I used to drive a Chevy C65 tri-axle dump truck with  427 gas engine in it.  That truck ran about 600 miles a day and most of the time with the gas pedal burried in the firewall.  Everytime  I  got out of it and raised the hood the manifolds were glowing red.
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I have had my Chevy's glowing like that several times.

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OT, I really do wish there was a legitimate farm stock class. I have nothing against "tuning", but in it's own class, such as modified farm stock.

anyhow, as for red manifolds, I got he manifolds cherry red on my 2000 F350 V10 pulling a loaded trailer up a long hill. It concerned me 'cause of all the aluminum in todays engines, including the aluminum heads. I know the aluminum heads will shed heat faster, but they will also warp and or crack faster. I've also had an aluminum alternator overheat from a bad bearing and ignite.
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my 7080 and my 7010 blow a flame in the field when plowing or disking at night! can'tsee it in theday time! but very little smoke!
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One way to put a rein on the souped up tractors is a speed limit ; they may be hot but if they cant run fast they wont go ; also RPM,S is an issue - over 3200 gets a little hairy , the stock flywheel can explode and you got a mess ; one club does the cables on the pump thing - takes alot of time and the cheaters always find a way !!
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Originally posted by Charlie (NC) Charlie (NC) wrote:

In the early days of tracto pulling (70's) there was a guy about an hour from here that was a mechanic at the AC dealership and pulled on weekends.  He pulled with the same 190XT he depended on as his main farm tractor.  He would turn the pump up (I'm not a diesel mechanic so I don't know exactly what that means) and pull then turn it back down to farm.    Of course that was before the guys got serious about "stock" pulling.
I think AC must have had a program for this.  My uncle had a 190XT that he would pull at the county fairs in the late 60's/early 70's.  An AC mechanic would come and turn up the pump before the events, told him they would cover any repairs that may be needed.  He won a lot of pulls....
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