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prospolaris ![]() Silver Level ![]() ![]() Joined: 17 Aug 2010 Location: nj Points: 84 |
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hey i went to the local tractor pulls yesterday and why does it seem that all the stock farm tractors are juiced up. seems like they are turning much higher rpms and the diesels blow alot of black smoke. im looking to make a 190xt into a weekend puller but still usable on the farm. any ideas how to turn it up? im sure it has to do with the injection pumop but is this something that can be done on a buget?
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DonDittmar ![]() Orange Level ![]() ![]() Joined: 15 Sep 2009 Location: MIllersburg, MI Points: 2516 |
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I have been thinking about doing the same thing. We have alot of IH 460's with the 806 motor in them that pretty much have the captive on the 10,000lb class. I need to rectify that, but its a time/money thing......
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Experience is a fancy name for past mistakes. "Great moments are born from great opportunity"
1968 D15D,1962 D19D Also 1965 Cub Loboy and 1958 JD 720 Diesel Pony Start |
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D17JIM ![]() Orange Level ![]() ![]() Joined: 14 Sep 2009 Points: 340 |
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My brother had two different injector pumps for his 200. one for farming and one for pulling. Lots of HP difference.
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Lars(wi) ![]() Orange Level Access ![]() ![]() Joined: 14 Sep 2009 Location: Permian Basin Points: 8063 |
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This is why I don't go to tractor pulls anymore. I want to see a true farm tractor in pulls, straight out of the field if you know what I mean. Many years ago when I would go, I alway's got and left as soon as the suped-up ones started.
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I tried to follow the science, but it was not there. I then followed the money, and that’s where I found the science.
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Charlie175 ![]() Orange Level ![]() Joined: 11 Sep 2009 Location: Shenandoah, VA Points: 6369 |
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Farm stock is not stock!
although the tuners do get surprised ever so often by stock tractors that outpull them. Locally there is no MPH limit on those classes and they use road gear with fire and smoke a blowing. The announcer always jokes that he would like to see them out in the field doing that
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Charlie
'48 B, '51 CA, '56 WD45 '61 D17, '63 D12, '65 D10 , '68 One-Ninety XTD |
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HARVESTMOONPULLER ![]() Silver Level ![]() ![]() Joined: 12 Oct 2009 Location: NW Ohio Points: 273 |
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My Grandpa had a 220 and my Uncle had a 210 and when they plowed they would shoot a foot of flame out the stack. My uncle said they could pull a 7 or 8 bottom? and hang the front end all the way down the field. Never had one issue until the 220 snapped an axle in a furrow. Never pulled them dont own them now guess im the only thats seen that in the field. No they werent stock yes they were farmed.
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one54dodgetruck ![]() Silver Level ![]() ![]() Joined: 25 Jul 2011 Location: Chehalis, wa Points: 399 |
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My almost stock wd (has M&W pistons and liners, but i got it that way) pulled really good this weekend on half a float in the carb. If my carb was working good I would have made better than 3 3rd places. A good wd or wd45 has plenty enough power for the 4000 4500 and 5000lb classes. you just need the tractor set up to pull that track. Andrew |
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Charlie175 ![]() Orange Level ![]() Joined: 11 Sep 2009 Location: Shenandoah, VA Points: 6369 |
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how would you not melt your manifold with it glowing red like that?
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Charlie
'48 B, '51 CA, '56 WD45 '61 D17, '63 D12, '65 D10 , '68 One-Ninety XTD |
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DonDittmar ![]() Orange Level ![]() ![]() Joined: 15 Sep 2009 Location: MIllersburg, MI Points: 2516 |
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Experience is a fancy name for past mistakes. "Great moments are born from great opportunity"
1968 D15D,1962 D19D Also 1965 Cub Loboy and 1958 JD 720 Diesel Pony Start |
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Charlie (NC) ![]() Orange Level ![]() ![]() Joined: 12 Sep 2009 Location: Coastal NC Points: 942 |
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In the early days of tracto pulling (70's) there was a guy about an hour from here that was a mechanic at the AC dealership and pulled on weekends. He pulled with the same 190XT he depended on as his main farm tractor. He would turn the pump up (I'm not a diesel mechanic so I don't know exactly what that means) and pull then turn it back down to farm. Of course that was before the guys got serious about "stock" pulling.
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Orange Blood ![]() Orange Level ![]() ![]() Joined: 29 Nov 2010 Location: ColoradoSprings Points: 4053 |
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Having been a guy that has helped put on pulls, almost my entire life, and seeing what goes on in the pits, I can tell you that with a few exceptions, aint nothing stock about the stock farm class. In fact it got to the point that nobody wanted to bring tractors in from the field about 7-10 years ago because all of the tuning that was going on, by the deere mechanics, who just happened to be farmers. So for the last 5ish or more years, we don't even offer a farm stock class in any weight.
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HARVESTMOONPULLER ![]() Silver Level ![]() ![]() Joined: 12 Oct 2009 Location: NW Ohio Points: 273 |
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Metal starts glowing red in dark at around 750 F it starts melting at around 2500.
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Charlie175 ![]() Orange Level ![]() Joined: 11 Sep 2009 Location: Shenandoah, VA Points: 6369 |
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gotcha
Here are our rules, not that they stick to them Farm Tractor Class Rules – Only Tractors 1960 or newer
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Charlie
'48 B, '51 CA, '56 WD45 '61 D17, '63 D12, '65 D10 , '68 One-Ninety XTD |
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Charlie (NC) ![]() Orange Level ![]() ![]() Joined: 12 Sep 2009 Location: Coastal NC Points: 942 |
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I used to drive a Chevy C65 tri-axle dump truck with 427 gas engine in it. That truck ran about 600 miles a day and most of the time with the gas pedal burried in the firewall. Everytime I got out of it and raised the hood the manifolds were glowing red.
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nsula_country ![]() Orange Level ![]() ![]() Joined: 10 Mar 2011 Location: NW Louisiana Points: 218 |
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I have had my Chevy's glowing like that several times.
CT
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LouSWPA ![]() Orange Level Access ![]() ![]() Joined: 11 Sep 2009 Location: Clinton, Pa Points: 25121 |
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OT, I really do wish there was a legitimate farm stock class. I have nothing against "tuning", but in it's own class, such as modified farm stock.
anyhow, as for red manifolds, I got he manifolds cherry red on my 2000 F350 V10 pulling a loaded trailer up a long hill. It concerned me 'cause of all the aluminum in todays engines, including the aluminum heads. I know the aluminum heads will shed heat faster, but they will also warp and or crack faster. I've also had an aluminum alternator overheat from a bad bearing and ignite.
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I am still confident of this;
I will see the goodness of the Lord in the land of the living. Wait for the Lord; be strong and take heart and wait for the Lord. Ps 27 |
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SHAMELESS ![]() Orange Level ![]() ![]() Joined: 13 Sep 2009 Location: EAST NE Points: 29486 |
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my 7080 and my 7010 blow a flame in the field when plowing or disking at night! can'tsee it in theday time! but very little smoke!
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DougG ![]() Orange Level ![]() Joined: 20 Sep 2009 Location: Mo Points: 8351 |
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One way to put a rein on the souped up tractors is a speed limit ; they may be hot but if they cant run fast they wont go ; also RPM,S is an issue - over 3200 gets a little hairy , the stock flywheel can explode and you got a mess ; one club does the cables on the pump thing - takes alot of time and the cheaters always find a way !!
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Eldon (WA) ![]() Orange Level ![]() ![]() Joined: 11 Sep 2009 Location: Spokane, WA Points: 7765 |
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