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International tug at bottom of ocean

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    Posted: 14 Feb 2019 at 2:27pm
I saw they found the wreckage of the USS Hornet carrier.  Sunk in 1942.  It is so deep that there is very little sunlight so minimal corrosion.   This tractor looks better than some I have seen at auctions and nicer than than a few I have seen in use.



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A very cool video. Thanks for sharing. A friend of mine has a farmall golf course that looks very similar.
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get KOO to retrieve it and it'll run again!
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It's always sad to see those old wreckage's and think of all the men that gave their lives.
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote DiyDave Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 14 Feb 2019 at 6:15pm
That video/picture is sure makin the rounds, this is the 3rd forum I've seen it on...Wink

IH sure got its money's worth, offa that lil decal!

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When I was 4 or 5 years old, we had a neighbor living with his parents. He was on that ship went it went down. He wasn’t “quite right” when he got home and told stories about men being taken by sharks before they were picked up. Was painting their house one time and kept me and my brother entertained for an entire day while he painted a navy war scene across the side of the house. All good until his mother came out and told him to do it “right”.
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Bout the time that hit the air there'd be a century of rust kicking in all at once.
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Yknow, they made them tugs so well, I'll bet there's still water in that radiator!!!  LOL
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that's a heck of a hole below it
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Still wondering how did not get swept away during the plunge to the bottom. larger picture showed TWO.
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The tires look like their still full!
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I wonder if that tug was tied down when not in use? I don’t think it’s on the deck??? I’ve heard of the Hornet museum (which is like to visit) I didn’t know until tonight that there was more than one.
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When it went down, were the aircraft on deck or in the air? And if in the air, where did they land?

I still gots my A/C but it's clear out in the barn now.
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Everything in the air was landed on other carriers or ditched. Amazing she is upright, in 6000' of water.
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Originally posted by shameless dude shameless dude wrote:

that's a heck of a hole below it

Just how thick is the metal where that hole is?
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Originally posted by DaveKamp DaveKamp wrote:

Yknow, they made them tugs so well, I'll bet there's still water in that radiator!!!  LOL
               At 6000 feet by all rights that radiator should be about the thickness of a quarter. Water pressure is pretty heavy duty down there. Which makes me wonder, does water pressure have any affect on something filled with water?

Edited by Walker - 15 Feb 2019 at 10:18pm
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Originally posted by Walker Walker wrote:

At 6000 feet by all rights that radiator should be about the thickness of a quarter. Water pressure is pretty heavy duty down there. Which makes me wonder, does water pressure have any affect on something filled with water?


At 6000ft, the ambient pressure will be 182.5 atmospheres... 2680psi.

IF the radiator was filled with gas, it would have been crushed... but several things in play here... first being, that it, and the block, was mostly full of liquid coolant... second, is that the system is inherently vented above a certain differential pressure.  the cap on that tractor was probably good for not much more than 6psi or so, and the cap seal is certainly incapable of  much more than that in any direction.  Second, is that if there was any pressure crushing the upper or lower tanks, it would breach the solder joints in where the tubes meet the tanks FIRST.

Any of those circumstances would allow immediate inflow of seawater, and thus, compress any entrapped gasses, and allow any NOT trapped to escape.

This means the pressure INSIDE, is equalized with OUTSIDE, which means there's NO additional deflection imposed on any part of it.

Same would be true for the gas tank, as it was vented via the cap.

Many of you may have already seen the news...but for those who haven't... marine surveyors operating deep-see exploration equipment were doing forensic examination of the wreckage of the Titanic, to learn more about the techniques of shipbuilding and engineering.

The engineers were amazed that even though the boilers were down 12,500ft for over a hundred years, there was still water in them!!!

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Really incredible find! The name tag on the tug must be aluminum, or else it wouldn't be readable. Like others have said, I can't believe how nice it looks! 

After reading Dave's reply, this came to mind...the Titanic and the Hornet have both been underwater for quite some time, yet the Titanic is supposedly getting dissolved fairly quickly by anaerobic bacteria that feed on the iron. Yet the Hornet (and the tug on her deck) are in excellent shape. Granted, the Titanic went down 30 years earlier, but still, the difference in the condition of the two ships is huge. Guess it just depends on which part of the ocean you're in? 
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Probably different alloying of the steel and paint for corrosion resistance.
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Temperature is a big factor in deterioration.   The colder it is, the slower the process is.
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As commented this is the story that is everywhere. Wink It was reported else where that it rests at 17,500 feet. So less oxygen less rust, but even greater pressure. 

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I think the tug is sitting in the hanger deck, I doubt that it was tied down, but I'm not an expert. what amazes me is the tires, one would think they would be deflated. Hard to tell, but that doesn't look to be the case
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Maybe the tires were ballasted to help keep em on a rocking deck (lower center of gravity) or for traction pulling loads on a smooth well swabbed deck?

Edited by chaskaduo - 16 Feb 2019 at 12:32pm
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or made of solid rubber? I don't thinks Dave went to the same type country schools as the rest of us!
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Yeah he definitely has the polymuric valance viscosity of the water ohm down.
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To kind of hijack the post, I was talking to a guy that works for a company that builds mines for mining  companies.  They dig the holes down to the material, set up the lift tower, build buildings etc.  Anyway he told me that once a piece of machinery goes into a salt mine, it never comes back.  One reason is because they have to be dismantled to get them down and they are worn out when they retire them but the other reason is that the machine would rust apart in a short time if it's back on top.  I'm wondering if the salt actually gets into the metal and  causes a change in the metallurgy or something else.  Any chemist's here?
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I'm wondering if the salt actually gets into the metal and  causes a change in the metallurgy or something else.  Any chemist's here?
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