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Topic: Illinosis DOT regulationsPosted: 10 Jan 2018 at 8:21pm |
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Missouri dot says as long as the total weight is under your license plate weight and your load is less than the gvw rating on the trailer your okay. Most tandem trailers with 10k axles are 25,000lb or so. I've hauled 15k several times and into Illinois once. My 2011 Duramax single rear wheel and 30' trailer weigh about 15,000 together. That puts me right at my max with my 30k plates.
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Posted: 10 Jan 2018 at 7:57pm |
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I am planning to haul a CA to Gray, Tn. this spring on the same trailer, (it has been upgraded to 3500 lb axles with brakes) and a Colorado, but it's pretty close home about 80 miles (just guessing) up the mountain.
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TMiller/NC
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Posted: 10 Jan 2018 at 7:53pm |
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I'm glad I didn't know all these rules when I went to Pa. with a 4 cylinder Tacoma and a home made trailer and hauled a B back home 480 miles. I probably wouldn't have that tractor now..
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DaveWisc.
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Posted: 10 Jan 2018 at 6:45pm |
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Right now I plan on bringing the A and Bwith mounted plow. That will be good enough yea the Allis Golf cart has to come too.
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injpumpEd
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Posted: 10 Jan 2018 at 6:32pm |
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sheesh, with all these scare tactics, it's a wonder any of us ever leave the house lol! I'm looking forward to pontiac, and we should be pulling there as well.
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cwhit
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Posted: 10 Jan 2018 at 5:03pm |
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Dave, I know everyone means well but I,ll bet you won’t even SEE a cop,let alone a DOT officer in Illinois on Labor Day weekend.
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1953CA
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Posted: 10 Jan 2018 at 2:14pm |
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You don't need DOT inspections on trailer or Truck unless your running in commerce, I print out all my emails from the DOT and carry it in my binder in the truck, goes along way to show them I've done my homework.
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1953CA
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Posted: 10 Jan 2018 at 2:10pm |
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Darryl - Same here, moved all my equipment from Washington to Wisconsin- three trips so far with my Semi, running CDL / Not for hire and paid the required tonnage, kept it legal on all axles, pulled in all scales no issues. Was asked in Wisconsin to pull behind the coop, just to verify I wasn't hauling in commerce.
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DaveWisc.
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Posted: 10 Jan 2018 at 8:32am |
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I am not a kid,I have a CDL a d Fed Med card. Now I don't know if I want to take anything outside of Wisc.I just don't we t to have any trouble with the DOT I have been stopped by them when I drove a truck hauling fertilizer for a company. I just went to be safe and not get stopped. When the DOT gets you stopped sometimes they look until they find something wrong. I know that is there job but some take it to the extreme. Sorry for the long post
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Coke-in-MN
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Posted: 10 Jan 2018 at 8:22am |
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If your trailer is over 10,001 it needs a DOT inspection sticker , as well as the tow vehicle needs one . Next comes the fact at above a weight you need a CDL license because of weight - nothing to do with if commercial hauling or not.
Believe me there are inspectors out there who take pride in doing a good job and being good guys - but it seems there just as many that are out to ruin someones day . Had one MN inspector go over my old 66 White Tandem Dump - complemented me that it was in good shape and no warnings or violations - on going into scale house to sign paperwork - another inspector pipes up asking how many violations he found - when he said none - guy pipes up go do it again that truck has to have something wrong for it's age - write some tickets for something , use state and federal statues and find something -- (So inspector who did Level 1 said he would put a CVSA sticker on truck also - so next time I come through the other guy would not have a reason to stop me ) |
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CTuckerNWIL
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Posted: 10 Jan 2018 at 8:09am |
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This may or may not help, probably the latter. https://www.cyberdriveillinois.com/publications/pdf_publications/dsd_x142.pdf
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Butch(OH)
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Posted: 10 Jan 2018 at 7:45am |
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Legalities aside A person should consider what is safe. I have pulled an A around a good bit behind a 3/4 ton truck,, add a D-21 to the load? No way! I dont care what the DOT says is legal. Maybe its because I have had 2 near misses in the past while on the way to a show. Glad to read you decided against hauling both! It just isnt worth the risk, IMO.
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Gary Burnett
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Posted: 10 Jan 2018 at 7:32am |
You might get to meet a EX Illinois Governor if you get the right DOT man to stop you ![]() |
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DarrylinWA
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Posted: 10 Jan 2018 at 7:03am |
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I have a single axle 3500 Dodge and my tandum axle trailer and and liscensed for 26,000. I am legal on all my axles and tires. I used to be at 32,000 when it was a 3 axle trailer. Left a lot of room with that weight but I carried tonnage and since I had my CDL, I was told I could carry that in WA. state where I live. I never went through and still don't go through scales and have made 2 trips to MO. and been around a lot of states like this. I am building now a 89 Peterbilt registered as a RV and that is how I brought my tractors to MO for the GOTO in my 48 ft. Kentucky trailer. I Stopped at all the scales on this trip just to see what they would do etc. I got pulled in 3 times and asked for my paperwork and since the title and registration is listed at motorhome, they sent me on my way. Side of trailer saws Private carrier and on the bottom of the door says registered RV Not for Hire. I have a bed, microwave, fridge ,portable toilet and small camping sink tucked under the bed and I am legal that way. Might want to see about doing this in future. Just what I did. Legal on all axles is #1 thing and I carry tonnage is what a local State Patrolman told me who I am friends with. Sorry for rambling. Take care and see you there this Summer at the GOTO!!!
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DougS
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Posted: 10 Jan 2018 at 6:01am |
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Every state has a slightly different take on CDL. Some exempt farmers completely from CDL requirements. I had a B when I lived in Nebraska, but no medical certificate was required as long as I was in-state. I had an A when I lived in Oregon and I had to have a medical as any other driver would have needed. I don't know Illinois' take on CDL requirements for farmers. The other question is: Are you a farmer or are you a hobbyist? In either case, at 23,000 pounds I think you are towing well beyond the limits of your truck. Not a safe thing to do.
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AaronSEIA
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Posted: 10 Jan 2018 at 5:38am |
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My take. CDL is about weight. DOT number is commercial or not. 22,000 lb tag trailer and 10,000 tag truck gets you 32,000 lbs. That is well over the 26,000 that is needed for a class A CDL. Tandem dual trailers are the DOTs new favorite target. But opinions are like elbows, everyone has a couple. Call the DOT and ask. Get that answer in paper with that persons name on it.
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Michael V (NM)
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Posted: 09 Jan 2018 at 9:29pm |
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Geez...after reading AC7060IL post,,,looks like ya jus better leave the tractor an trailer at home...
Here's my take, you are NOT commercial, ie hauling for any revenue, that makes it a hobby...and should be exempt,, but I don't know how IL or other states look at that.. Next idea, get one of them big motor homes an pull an enclosed trailer, as big as you want...no problems then...because its an RV..no weigh stations, no DOT checks.... |
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Posted: 09 Jan 2018 at 9:08pm |
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If your rig has a GVWR of more than 8ton (16,000lbs), you're required by law to stop at all "opened" IL weigh stations. Upon entering a truck weigh station or being randomly pulled over & stopped for any DOT check point, your rig can be subjected to ALL DOT compliance - known or otherwise. That applies to any & all USA states.
Depending on the DOT officer, your DOT compliance efforts(CDL, medical card, USDOT registration, UCR, IFTA & probably very soon ELD - to name just a few...) & your willingness to cooperate during your rig inspection, will probably yield how gracious, or not, the DOT officer reacts. You may choose an alternate route to avoid weigh stations, but DOT check points can be positioned on any road. FYI - try to consider the fact that the DOT officers are doing their job for YOUR benefit. In the 33 years of my CDL career, any of my disagreements during compliance checks get clarified when a DOT officer reminds me that even though he may agree with my arguing concerns, upon any incident on the road where my rig is involved & personal &/or property damage results, the insurance attorneys &/or any hired personal attorneys will stop at nothing to find anything that is not in compliance (fault) with my rig and there upon will insue compensation. If you're like me & favor a similar notion that I'd hate to see you loose your beautiful AC D-21 and any other AC piece, let alone your entire rig too, & perhaps your house, etc, etc, etc... Please learn the DOT laws, get DOT compliant, & thank the next DOT officer that helps find anything that could have possibly resulted into a negative opportunity for you. Edited by AC7060IL - 09 Jan 2018 at 9:11pm |
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Gary Burnett
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Posted: 09 Jan 2018 at 9:08pm |
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I don't know about counting on the cops not being around they can catch one overloaded
truck and pay their wages for the whole weekend.All the rest they catch are just icing on the cake. |
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Posted: 09 Jan 2018 at 8:15pm |
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I pulled my D-21 (10,300 lbs) to the Canandaigua GOTO (4 hours) with a GMC 2500 and a gooseneck trailer with 14K axles. No problems and with all ratings of the truck, trailer, tires and plate weight. Use my semi most of the time now. Too much US truck regulation now and a super aggressive US border patrol. Just coming to Pontiac with the camper now.
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Posted: 09 Jan 2018 at 7:49pm |
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Agree with CWHIT. It's Labor Day weekend and there is no money in this state to pay time and half/overtime to any officers. They'll be spread thin for emergencies only. Hope to see you there!
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Posted: 09 Jan 2018 at 7:43pm |
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take the GVW OF THE TRUCK AND TRAILER, ADD THEM UP.YOU CANT GO OVER THAT WEIGHT. ALSO EACH AXLE IN THE PICTURE WILL HAVE TO BE WITHIN ITS LIMITS. YOU WILL NEED A CDL AND PROPER LICENSE ON THE TRUCK TO HAUL THE WEIGHT YOU TOTAL
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Posted: 09 Jan 2018 at 6:36pm |
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all it'll take is someone with a new drivers license or someone that has to much booze in them to ruin your year!
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Posted: 09 Jan 2018 at 6:28pm |
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If the GCVW is over 20,000 lbs they may still go after you fer a health card, and non cdl cdl. No I didn't repeat that last cdl. Md does this, and some other states...
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Posted: 09 Jan 2018 at 5:59pm |
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If your truck has a diesel, the max towing rating is 17,000. Otherwise it’s around 13,000. Even with trailer brakes you’re asking for trouble if you need to make a sudden stop or evasive maneuver.
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Posted: 09 Jan 2018 at 5:16pm |
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Still wouldn't hurt to do an anonymous call (from a phone booth) and see what they say. Tell em you're doing it in two days, from the OTHER end of the state.
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Posted: 09 Jan 2018 at 4:59pm |
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if your trailers got a 20000 P tag on it ' an a 8000 or 12000 tag on the truck' why should anyone bother you anyway.
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Posted: 09 Jan 2018 at 4:29pm |
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Remember that this will also be Labor Day weekend . In this financially screwed up state, the law enforcement will be spread pretty thin. As long as you’re moving, I really doubt that you will even get a glance. Stay away from Chicago and come on down. We’re going to have a good time.
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Posted: 09 Jan 2018 at 12:32pm |
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You guys are right I have two axles and the trailer is rated at 11.5 per axel so about 23000 pounds.I am going to take my D21 and B to the show tractor weight will be about 12000 pounds plus the truck and trailer. This should be legal.
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Posted: 09 Jan 2018 at 12:22pm |
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Get a semi and lowboy and save yourself the grief of paying out big fines, PLUS the safety thing! thanks; ac fleet
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