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Peaceful Farmer ![]() Bronze Level ![]() ![]() Joined: 06 Aug 2017 Location: Arkansas Points: 10 |
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Hi!
I have a backhoe attachment. I think it's ![]() I bought this attachment in Missouri for $800.00. It's a heavy, impressive piece of equipment! I have an M Series Kubota, 48 horse tractor, with Loader Subframe extending clear to the back axle. My tractor rear axle is rated in the operation manuel at 3,700 lbs... How heavy is this backhoe attachment? Can I fabricate a subframe system, and restore this backhoe to use with my Kubota M4050DT? This backhoe looks at face value to be an Allis/Henry Mark IV or Mark 5, but if you look at the photos I've posted closesly, you will see two swing cylinders, which are connected to the boom by a chain. Every Google photo I've come across, has not shown me an Allis with these particular swing cylinders. My goal here, get an accurate weight figure, and close of enough year and model to purchase an operations manuel. AS the Equipment I.D. tag was ripped off, it's have been difficult creating a game plan to make this a useable piece of equipment. ![]() Thanks for reading! |
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DiyDave ![]() Orange Level Access ![]() ![]() Joined: 11 Sep 2009 Location: Gambrills, MD Points: 53974 |
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You will first need to compare specs of the tractor the hoe comes off of, and then the specs of your Kubota, before trying it out... specs I am talking about are flow rate (GPM) and relief pressure(PSI). Then you want to make sure both operating systems are the same type.(open or closed center, are your options, here. Sorry but I'm not much of an expert at IDing AC backhoes, at least not without a tractor attached to 'em...
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Peaceful Farmer ![]() Bronze Level ![]() ![]() Joined: 06 Aug 2017 Location: Arkansas Points: 10 |
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DIY Dave,
Thanks for the input! And yes that is part of my quest, to get the right info so I know what will make this backhoe compatable. Thanks again! If anything particular about that BH tickles your fancy, as odd as it may sound, feel free to tell me! |
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Peaceful Farmer ![]() Bronze Level ![]() ![]() Joined: 06 Aug 2017 Location: Arkansas Points: 10 |
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Hey! Good news! A fella on this forum, posted his progress on restoring a D14 Backhoe/Loader
The backhoe is very similar to mine... I still cannot account for those darned swing cylinders on my unit, but everything else is the same. Here is the link, if it will give people any ideas, please give me a shout! http://www.allischalmers.com/forum/rebuilding-the-d14-backhoe-loader_topic110381_page9.html |
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DiyDave ![]() Orange Level Access ![]() ![]() Joined: 11 Sep 2009 Location: Gambrills, MD Points: 53974 |
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If its a hoe off a D-14, Hyd pressure is 3500 PSI, GPM output is about 4GPM...
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Lonn ![]() Orange Level ![]() ![]() Joined: 16 Sep 2009 Location: Назарово,Russia Points: 29802 |
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I'd bet that if it's off a D14 the D14 would have had the auxiliary hydraulic, low pressure high volume pump.
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Gerald J. ![]() Orange Level ![]() Joined: 12 Sep 2009 Location: Hamilton Co, IA Points: 5636 |
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Doesn't match my Long 1099. I first used the Long on my MF-135 with the
PTO pump that came with it a 20 gpm pump. Required very tender touches
on the hydraulic valves to not bang the ends of the cylinders every
stroke. It was hard to control. I think mostly 3" cylinders. After the
leaking PTO pump was stolen one foggy winter night, I mounted a 5 gpm
front mount pump on the MF-135 and operation was fast enough at full
valve strokes but a lot easier to control. When I changed its use to my
4020 I built an auxiliary hydraulic manifold tapping the full pressure
and flow but I put flow control needle valves on the pressure lines to
the loader and to the back hoe and set them for about 5 gpm, kept
control smooth and hydraulic motions not jerky.
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Peaceful Farmer ![]() Bronze Level ![]() ![]() Joined: 06 Aug 2017 Location: Arkansas Points: 10 |
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Lon, and Gerald J.
Thanks for your input! I'm keeping track of what you'all say... I'm actually taking notes! One never knows when one might need to remember good advice given! Thanks much for our comments! |
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Peaceful Farmer ![]() Bronze Level ![]() ![]() Joined: 06 Aug 2017 Location: Arkansas Points: 10 |
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P.S.!
Anybody know the weight of this Mark IV unit? I'm pretty sure it's a Mark IV. Also, I discovered the Mark IV unit was also compatable with the D-15 and D17 AC tractors. Were the hydrolics on the D-15 and D-17 similar to the D-14? |
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desertjoe ![]() Orange Level Access ![]() ![]() Joined: 23 Sep 2013 Location: New mexico Points: 13691 |
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Hey Peaceful,,,,,,Lordy,,Lordy,,,,Thas my backhoe/ Loader project you are referring to,,,,Gosh,,that brings back lots of memories of all the work I done to bring it back to life,,, ![]() ![]() I don't have a clue what the loader weighs, so no help for you there,,,,Good luck with your project, tho,, if you decide it will work on your tractor,,,,, ![]() I'll be glad to help if I can,,,,, |
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Peaceful Farmer ![]() Bronze Level ![]() ![]() Joined: 06 Aug 2017 Location: Arkansas Points: 10 |
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DesertJoe,
Thanks much! I may post a few more pictures. My first experience posting pictures on this forum was educational! The little Icon would come and and say, "Please wait patiently" for the photo to upload. Not understanding, I first tried to upload 7 photos... No worky! I'm in Southeast Madison County, nearly the southeast corner of northwest Arkansas. In short, I live in the mountainous boonies of Northwest Arkansas and love it! But my DSL internet provider is slow to say the least. The backhoe weight is going to be the deal breaker for if I use it on the Kabota. Otherwise I'll probably sell the Mark IV. It's amazing how Google can have so much info, but they don't seem to have an Allis Chalmers/Henry Mark IV backhoe attachment weight figure. I guess nobody is perfect.... |
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Peaceful Farmer ![]() Bronze Level ![]() ![]() Joined: 06 Aug 2017 Location: Arkansas Points: 10 |
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Here are a couple of more photos describing my cylinder situation.
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desertjoe ![]() Orange Level Access ![]() ![]() Joined: 23 Sep 2013 Location: New mexico Points: 13691 |
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Hey Peaceful,,,yep,,that sure looks like a mark IV,,I think I can see the tag in the pic with the horse trailer. It is right in the middle of the plate where the two cylinders are,,, Speakin bout the cylinders,,I'm not too sure they are "Factory" Looks like PO rigged up a "chain Tong" type of swing using the two cylinders with a chain,,,? I just LOVE American engineuity,,,don't you,,?? I can also see the Big Rotary cylinder that operates the swing on my Mark IV. I think I "may" have a manual on the Mark IV,,,I'll take a look see tomarrow,,,, ![]() |
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desertjoe ![]() Orange Level Access ![]() ![]() Joined: 23 Sep 2013 Location: New mexico Points: 13691 |
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OH,,forgot to mention ,,Peaceful, a dang good friend of mine and all us others here lives in your neck of the woods,,,somewhere around Eureka Springs, Ark. Ole Thad posts here most of the times when he ain't workin his tail off,,,,,he's also a member in good standin of the " Misfits" Club,,,you'll hear bout all them dudes sooner or late,,,, ![]() Wait til you get to know ole Shameless,,,,,, ![]() ![]() OH,,,and welcome to the best'est site on the web,,,,,hope you stay around a while,,, ![]() |
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im4racin ![]() Orange Level ![]() Joined: 12 Jun 2017 Location: Garrison ND Points: 1052 |
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Yes that is a mark IV. I have one and it has the same swing cyls and chain set up. I know I have a manual somewhere but can't find it tonight. I will keep looking and report back when I find it
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Peaceful Farmer ![]() Bronze Level ![]() ![]() Joined: 06 Aug 2017 Location: Arkansas Points: 10 |
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Desertjoe,
Yes I've been wondering about those chains and swing cylinders too! Both chains seem to anchor into the tower as if the original manufacturer intended it. But the place where the plate was cut to allow both those swing cylinders access to the tower, was not cut very smooth and round. So I suspect somebody got creative with their problem solving! About your friend! I'm about 1 hour and 20 minutes south of Eureaka Springs! We fish for trout occasionally up by the dam near Eureka. It's good to hear that I have potential kinfolk, (or good people whom I'd wish for kinfolk) whom are friends of you'all! Actually I'm a Los Fresnos Texas farm kid, I was born in the Harlingen Texas hospital, I grew up watching brown and white skin walk on sidewalks together and think it's normal. Some of my earlietst memories is watching a John Deere pull the irrigation ditches I later would swim in. I'm mostly white myself, but I'm 1 part Abenaki Indian, 1 part Iriquois Indian. I sympathise with the Mexican's wanting to come here, but as my Native American forefathers insisted (but lost the argument) , everybody needs to be legal and do their part. And occasonally a T-Model Bugle needs to sound to get peoples attention... I don't know if the sound will do much good, or bring much order but I won't object either... I'm trying to learn to keep it peaceful...Not get distracted from what is really important. For myself, if I could just get the weight rating on that A.C. backhoe... I've been thinking about buying a manuel, but to spend roughly 30 bucks to find out the unit is to heavy for my tractor would be a real bummer! |
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Peaceful Farmer ![]() Bronze Level ![]() ![]() Joined: 06 Aug 2017 Location: Arkansas Points: 10 |
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Im4racin,
I just reread your comment and it finally registered that you said your backhoe chains and swing cylinder is made the same as mine! Thank you! I feel better! If you find that manuel, that would be great! I don't even know for sure where to begin looking, or what to request, to be sure I get the right manuel. Mark IV is as far as I've come! Thanks for the info! |
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Dusty MI ![]() Orange Level ![]() ![]() Joined: 13 Sep 2009 Location: Charlotte, Mi Points: 5059 |
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I'd like to find one that fits a 720.
Dusty
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917 H, '48 G, '65 D-10 series III "Allis Express"
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im4racin ![]() Orange Level ![]() Joined: 12 Jun 2017 Location: Garrison ND Points: 1052 |
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I need to correct my last post....it looks like a mark 1 not a 4. My manual says it has a shipping weight of about 2725 lbs and requires 15 gpm at 2000psi max. If you have any other questions I can look in the manual for that info
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oc-46-3g ![]() Bronze Level ![]() Joined: 04 Jun 2021 Location: New York Points: 3 |
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I just purchased a Henry Mark 1, and I can confirm it looks the same as in pics. Can anyone tell me what model OC-352 was used on? I'm assuming Oliver Crawler from the OC but that is just a guess. Very hard to locate info on these.. BTW, mine is for sale in Central NY.
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