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JFREED ![]() Silver Level ![]() ![]() Joined: 11 Sep 2011 Location: SOUTH MICHIGAN Points: 113 |
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What is the approved method of sealing pipe thread fittings ? Pipe Dope, Teflon tape or both? All hoses will be hooked to either a 180 or XT 190. BTW, right remotes have round balls in them and left remotes have pointed tips. This is on both tractors so I am wondering if thats a factory deal or what. they were bought used 21 years apart from each other. The 190 came from local but no idea on the 180. Thanks
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Gerald J. ![]() Orange Level ![]() Joined: 12 Sep 2009 Location: Hamilton Co, IA Points: 5636 |
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I've had good results with teflon tape but its not universally approved. The worry is getting bits of tape loose into the flow and into small orifices or valves.
Loctite seems to have several concoctions intended for hydraulic fittings. Gerald J. |
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Joe(TX) ![]() Orange Level ![]() ![]() Joined: 11 Sep 2009 Location: Weatherford. TX Points: 1682 |
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The couplers with the round balls are what was original. The pinted ones are poppet type and are easier to connect.
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plummerscarin ![]() Orange Level Access ![]() Joined: 22 Jun 2015 Location: ia Points: 3750 |
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When I used to build feed trucks we only used La-Co Select Unyt or something to that effect. Avoided tape for fear of strands getting into the system. Always had good luck on 2500 PSI system. Now I use a Loctite brand that dad left behind but the bottle is worn and cant read the number on it. It's red in color if that helps. Have good luck with that as well.
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steve(ill) ![]() Orange Level Access ![]() ![]() Joined: 11 Sep 2009 Location: illinois Points: 85450 |
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we had trouble at work several years ago assembling 3 inch pipe.. Dope would leak and tape would leak... Had a Union Pipefitter Foreman on site on another job.. I asked him to help my guys. He put 3 layers of tape on the threads, then the pipe dope on top. Never leaked again... HE said the problem these days is chineese pipe threads and tolerances.. Don't use the TEFLON pipe dope, get the old style oil base type stuff. The secret of TAPE is to stay back 2 threads from the end. Cant get pieces inside that way.... Smaller 1/2 inch - 1 inch don't seem to be as much of a problem, but I tend to use BOTH after the training we got.
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Like them all, but love the "B"s.
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plummerscarin ![]() Orange Level Access ![]() Joined: 22 Jun 2015 Location: ia Points: 3750 |
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Steve, I can agree with you on the dope AND tape for sealing threads, but I only did that with water and natural gas connections. Never a problem with that. Typically the hydraulics I did were 3/4" and less and the guys I worked with weren't that careful.
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Dipstick In ![]() Orange Level ![]() ![]() Joined: 11 Sep 2009 Location: Remington, In. Points: 8602 |
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I guess I was lucky, but I always used Never-sieze, and didn't have leaks!
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You don't really have to be smart if you know who is!
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ac45dave ![]() Orange Level Access ![]() ![]() Joined: 23 May 2015 Location: SE(IN) Points: 1343 |
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i've always used thread tape on hydraulic hoses.as said earlier, just hold the tape back a one or two threads to keep it from getting into the system.a contractor buddy of mine turned me on to "Blue monster thread tape".this stuff works great.give it a try you'll like it. http://cleanfit.com/blue_monster_ptfe_thread_seal_tape_70885.shtml
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DrAllis ![]() Orange Level Access ![]() Joined: 12 Sep 2009 Points: 21359 |
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Back in those days, the tractor came with no couplers from Milwaukee. dealership or Customer installed the style they wanted to use. Caution with Teflon tape is be careful to not OVER-TIGHTEN as castings can be split wide open from the tapered pipe thread pressure. Teflon tape makes things turn easily and you can overdo it.
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Tbone95 ![]() Orange Level Access ![]() ![]() Joined: 31 Aug 2012 Location: Michigan Points: 11964 |
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Totally correct on crappy made pipe threads these days.
Old machinist friend I used to work with told me tapered pipe threads should turn in fairly easily about three turns by hand, then wrench it for another 1 to 1 1/4 turns. There are "dry seal" tolerance pipe thread dimension that the taper should seal the fluid, and any tape or whatever you put on would be to aid in disassembly later. Good luck buying something like that off a hardware shelf! But I have found, if your threads fit together pretty close to described above, and the sealant or tape you use is rated for the fluid contact, you'll be fine. If your threads go together not so well, relying on the dope for sealant will likely give trouble sooner or later. |
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allisrutledge ![]() Orange Level ![]() Joined: 30 Mar 2010 Location: SurgoinsvilleTN Points: 1357 |
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645 loctite...
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Allis Chalmers still exist in my mind and barns
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CTuckerNWIL ![]() Orange Level ![]() ![]() Joined: 11 Sep 2009 Location: NW Illinois Points: 22824 |
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I had a connection on my water heater that wanted to leak on me with tape or pipe dope. My brother said use Permatex form a gasket. It never leaked again :)
I just use the little can of pipe dope I've had in the shop for the last 20 years anytime I put hydraulic pipe fittings together and have never had a problem. |
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injpumpEd ![]() Orange Level Access ![]() ![]() Joined: 13 Sep 2009 Location: Walnut IL Points: 5060 |
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loctite 569 is what I use.
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210 "too hot to farm" puller, part of the "insane pumpkin posse". Owner of Guenther Heritage Diesel, specializing in fuel injection systems on heritage era tractors. stock rebuilds to all out pullers!
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Dave (Mid-MI) ![]() Orange Level ![]() ![]() Joined: 12 Sep 2009 Location: Hemlock, MI Points: 553 |
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I always use a double wrap of Teflon tape on hydraulic fittings, and have never had one leak. |
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Auntwayne ![]() Orange Level ![]() Joined: 23 Apr 2011 Location: Edwardsville Il Points: 1589 |
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Thread sealant from NAPA. Never had a leak again, and never used Teflon with it.
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j.w.freck ![]() Orange Level ![]() ![]() Joined: 16 Sep 2009 Location: karnack texas Points: 1153 |
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an old sealerfrom the piston engines on the dc-6,dc-7 aircraft,called TITE SEAL worked every time on all aviation fuels and hydraulic fluids.....
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shameless dude ![]() Orange Level ![]() ![]() Joined: 10 Apr 2017 Location: east NE Points: 13607 |
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I've always used the oil based pipe dope, and like said above, apply it all around the pipe/fitting, but stay back at least 2-3 treads. I've never had any leaks.
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Tbone95 ![]() Orange Level Access ![]() ![]() Joined: 31 Aug 2012 Location: Michigan Points: 11964 |
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Many many people above are saying "never had a leak", and it's true, because honestly most threaded fittings don't leak if done even close to correctly by someone with rudimentary mechanical skills. Think about what you're reading: guys who've used Teflon "never had a leak", guys who use Loctite "never had a leak", guys who use Napa "never had a leak", etc.
Like I said, many things work just fine, and the contrary is true, if you do encounter a leaky fitting, it can be a real bugger to get anything to seal it. Best thing for a truly troublesome leaky joint is to make a new joint there, one that works with Teflon, Napa, Loctite..... |
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