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you will have 240v single phase feeding into your Phase Converter... you can use one leg of that 240v to get 120v for the light..... I really think it would be better to have a 120v PLUG in the wall behind the mill and get your power that way and leave the 240v feed separate into the 4x4 box..... but all depends on what kind of power you have available right now..  Running both thru the 4x4 box will work, but not the BEST solution.. If you do that, write  "dual power feed 120v - 240v" on the box cover.
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Originally posted by steve(ill) steve(ill) wrote:

...better to have a 120v PLUG in the wall behind the mill and get your power that way and leave the 240v feed separate into the 4x4 box..


I totally agree there... that's a universally accepted method.
Another common way, was to use a 240:120v control transformer just big enough to run a light... which I've done many times... but..

The other way (which nowdays iseasy) is to use LED worklighting that is powered by a switch-mode power supply that'll accept 100-260vac and run a half-dozen good sized LED modules strategically placed.  I haven't gotten around to changing out some of mine, but the drill has an older 120v LED fixture, and the lathe has an overhead worklight (on a niftly countersprung dentist's worklamp boom!)...

What I've been considering, is running LED strip lighting under the column of the drill and mill... 12v, and distributed over a large area so as to reduce shadowing.  IF/when I do, I'll include pix and report, but I've got many irons in the fire right now... Wink
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Ok guys I made a little headway tonight.
I opened that box and the rear cover of the column and power feed motor.
The 3 wire goes strictly to the light.
I removed it from the box and now everything seems much simpler.
I’ll do something different for the light and run a 120 circuit to the mill.
Now only the 4 wire SO cord goes in that box.
I assume it’s 3 hots and a ground?
Gonna run the 220 circuit this weekend. Still haven’t received the loaner converter.
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Please take LOTS of pictures BEFORE you start even moving wires !!
Different angles, with GOOD lighting !!
I had a wire 'magically' come off 'somewhere' in a 'new to me' box.....
... It was not obvious where it had come from..
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Right Thad.... 3 hot and a ground... Often on 3 phase the 3 hot wires will all be black.. Seldom do you get other colors.( but maybe) .. The ground should look different, or be marked somehow... 3 phase - 3 wires...

the three HOT wires will be the ones that run up the conduit to the AB box and connect to the FIRST 3 contacts.....If you get it connected and the motor runs REV when the switch says FWD... then go back to the phase converter or the 4x4 box and just switch 2 of the three wires.


Edited by steve(ill) - 23 Feb 2023 at 7:30pm
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Originally posted by steve(ill) steve(ill) wrote:

Right Thad.... 3 hot and a ground... Often on 3 phase the 3 hot wires will all be black.. Seldom do you get other colors.( but maybe) .. The ground should look different, or be marked somehow... 3 phase - 3 wires...




the three HOT wires will be the ones that run up the conduit to the AB box and connect to the FIRST 3 contacts.....If you get it connected and the motor runs REV when the switch says FWD... then go back to the phase converter or the 4x4 box and just switch 2 of the three wires.

Thank you Steve.
The ground goes to a screw in the box and then goes up to something else very easy to tell which one it is.
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