Help me with my decision!!

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   I will be needing to do a complete overhaul on the 301 in my 7020 in the near future.  With my orange blood, I am wrestling with the idea of rebuilding the 301, or converting to a 5.9 Cummins.  I don't want to go the Cummins route, since I like things original, but the Cummins sure does intrigue me from a power and parts availability standpoint, not to mention starting ability, although the 301 in my M combine is a great starting engine.  HELP!!!!

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KevinON Members Profile Send Private Message Find Members Posts Add to Buddy List Orange Level Joined: 07 Dec 2009 Location: Schomberg, ON Points: 786	Post Options Post Reply Quote KevinON Report Post Thanks(0) Quote Reply Topic: Help me with my decision!! Posted: 14 Mar 2010 at 7:43am
	I will be needing to do a complete overhaul on the 301 in my 7020 in the near future. With my orange blood, I am wrestling with the idea of rebuilding the 301, or converting to a 5.9 Cummins. I don't want to go the Cummins route, since I like things original, but the Cummins sure does intrigue me from a power and parts availability standpoint, not to mention starting ability, although the 301 in my M combine is a great starting engine. HELP!!!!

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cougar766 Members Profile Send Private Message Find Members Posts Add to Buddy List Silver Level Joined: 15 Sep 2009 Location: Amo, Indiana Points: 150	Post Options Post Reply Quote cougar766 Report Post Thanks(0) Quote Reply Posted: 14 Mar 2010 at 8:26am
	rebuild the 301 period

Hurst Members Profile Send Private Message Find Members Posts Add to Buddy List Orange Level Joined: 11 Sep 2009 Location: Midway, Ky Points: 1201	Post Options Post Reply Quote Hurst Report Post Thanks(0) Quote Reply Posted: 14 Mar 2010 at 10:18am
	Went through the same decision with my 7000. Rebuild the 301. A cummins conversion will cost more than 2-3 301 overhauls if you start with a reman or new 5.9 cummins. And think of the mess of rerouting everything. Put some high compression pistons in the 301 and your smile will keep growing for the first 100 hours as it breaks in, because the engine just keeps getting more and more grunt as it gets broken in. Make sure you get the kit with the mainbearings for oil squirters in the block. Is your 301 just tired? Or is something seriously wrong? Hurst
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Dean(IA) Members Profile Send Private Message Find Members Posts Add to Buddy List Silver Level Joined: 12 Sep 2009 Location: NE Iowa Points: 424	Post Options Post Reply Quote Dean(IA) Report Post Thanks(0) Quote Reply Posted: 14 Mar 2010 at 10:41am
	If you go the Cummins route, be extra cautious if you are considering a used engine. I know of a shop that put in a used Cummins, then a second used Cummins because of very heavy oil consumption. The used parts place would not pay any of the labor at all. The farmer finally decided to go with a new Cummins. It wasn't orange but just be careful. The used parts yard was in Kansas. I will tell anyone who needs more information on a pm. Bottom line, fix up your 301 and then it will all be original. Just adjust the fuel pump to stock horsepower and it should live a very long time. HTH

cwhit Members Profile Send Private Message Find Members Posts Add to Buddy List Orange Level Joined: 12 Sep 2009 Location: Sigel IL Points: 963	Post Options Post Reply Quote cwhit Report Post Thanks(0) Quote Reply Posted: 14 Mar 2010 at 1:18pm
	I' m with cougar766 and Hurst . Stay with the 301..

Russ-neia Members Profile Send Private Message Find Members Posts Add to Buddy List Silver Level Joined: 11 Sep 2009 Location: NE Iowa Points: 489	Post Options Post Reply Quote Russ-neia Report Post Thanks(0) Quote Reply Posted: 14 Mar 2010 at 1:58pm
	Fix up the 301. I had the one in my 8010 done the right way - balanced, M&W piston kit, adjusted Hp to 120 pto and adjusted the fuel advance (torque screw) to kick in with less rpm drop. Much better performance now. Starts down to 10* F without plugging it in or ether. If it had been that way from the factory no one would even consider a Crummins.
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rcfynrdt Members Profile Send Private Message Find Members Posts Add to Buddy List Bronze Level Joined: 11 Sep 2009 Location: Central Iowa Points: 26	Post Options Post Reply Quote rcfynrdt Report Post Thanks(0) Quote Reply Posted: 14 Mar 2010 at 2:01pm
	301 no doubt 301 was a good motor no reason to move away from it.

Calvin Schmidt Members Profile Send Private Message Find Members Posts Add to Buddy List Orange Level Joined: 11 Sep 2009 Location: Ontario Can. Points: 4515	Post Options Post Reply Quote Calvin Schmidt Report Post Thanks(0) Quote Reply Posted: 14 Mar 2010 at 9:09pm
	Kevin; I talked to a guy at the London Farm Show who said that he had a 301 engine on a ditching machine. It had 38,000 hrs when it finally quit. 17,000 hrs first time,14,000 hrs second time, and lost oil pressure at 38,000 hrs. and was toast. It's your tractor and you do whats best for you. If you rebuild the 301 be sure to get ARP rods bolts from AGCO. The mennonites is this area buy 5.9 Cummins mechanical engines out of 10 year old school buses for 2-3G. I have good connections with them if you go that way.

DSeries4 Members Profile Send Private Message Find Members Posts Add to Buddy List Orange Level Joined: 12 Sep 2009 Location: Ontario, Canada Points: 7204	Post Options Post Reply Quote DSeries4 Report Post Thanks(0) Quote Reply Posted: 14 Mar 2010 at 9:55pm
	I agree with everyone else. Rebuild the 301. If you need another one, they are easy to find since they were used in so many tractors and combines.

KevinON Members Profile Send Private Message Find Members Posts Add to Buddy List Orange Level Joined: 07 Dec 2009 Location: Schomberg, ON Points: 786	Post Options Post Reply Quote KevinON Report Post Thanks(0) Quote Reply Posted: 15 Mar 2010 at 6:40am
	Thanks guys for all of your input! You really just hit home what was in my gut already. The motor has close to 8K on it, and I don't think has been touched. It needs head work, as I was loosing a bit of coolant out the rad last fall, so the head gasket is likely gone, along with the injector hole liners. Thanks again.