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Tennessee Plowboy ![]() Bronze Level ![]() ![]() Joined: 19 Aug 2015 Location: Auckland NZ Points: 8 |
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I'm new to AC track machines, having never been on any thing much but Cats I'm considering buying a HD11E with about I recon 40% undercarriage. Can someone tell me if D6C track chain assembly can be adapted to this bulldozer. I think the sprocket has to be changed to match the D6 pitch, are the rollers and idlers compatible. I know you can make just about anything work if you want to spend enough money. (that's not me) Also It has been re-powered with a Detroit 6V93TA. I believe I'll have to throttle it back a fair bit, say 1000-1400 rpm.
Anyone experienced with either of these changes on a HD11? Thanks |
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DMiller ![]() Orange Level Access ![]() Joined: 14 Sep 2009 Location: Hermann, Mo Points: 33282 |
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The Allis/buda engine in the 11's is a low rpm engine but not that low, a 6V92 is not that much higher unless had the governor adjusted so, my buda 4 cylinder runs at 1750rpm the 6V should be governed at 1950-2000
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DMiller ![]() Orange Level Access ![]() Joined: 14 Sep 2009 Location: Hermann, Mo Points: 33282 |
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Lazyts should come up on the rails/rollers, they are no longer available(7 Pitch) and I believe he had adapted Cat rails to one of his or at least lower rollers. I looked to possibly adapt 6.91 pitch Cat rails to my little loader, cost prohibitive so far but still entertaining that thought. Sprockets are different diameter, roller mounts are wider/thicker and require re-drill of truck frames, would possibly have to do some different on idlers as well as upper rollers.
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gemdozer ![]() Orange Level ![]() Joined: 17 Sep 2009 Points: 1002 |
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The HD11 track pitch is 7 inchs and D6C is 8 inchs pitch and sprocket HD11 sprocket high
is 30.593 inchs and D6C sprocket is 33.159 inchs and should not fit on 11E
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Andrew_D ![]() Silver Level ![]() Joined: 28 May 2013 Location: Newdale,MB,Can Points: 148 |
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A couple of past threads that I bookmarked:
http://www.allischalmers.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=68153&KW=&title=coke-cat-bottom-allis-top http://www.allischalmers.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=68890&KW=&title=cat-bottom-allis-top Looks like D5 track is the recommended go-to. Even then, it takes some work! Andrew Edited by Andrew_D - 22 Aug 2015 at 9:08am |
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Lazyts ![]() Orange Level ![]() Joined: 05 Feb 2012 Location: Manitoba Points: 632 |
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I've never done it, but have seen 11-B tractors converted to D5 chain, and keeping the Allis sprocket- did not appear to have any abnormal wear on sprocket. D5 bottom and top rollers can be adapted. Caterpillar also supplied an adapter for the sprocket to adapt to the D5 segments, part number 5S0834, not sure if they would be available. HD11E sprocket rings can still be found, or you could go with 11-B segments, as there is an adapter ring for that as well. D6B sprocket rim could also be used on older HD11E. (Cat # 5S4822). I've been thinking of doing these modifications to an 11-B someday, but it's alot of money to spend on an old tractor.
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HD6 Merv ![]() Silver Level Access ![]() ![]() Joined: 03 Aug 2010 Location: New Zealand Points: 494 |
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Tennesse plowboy; didn,t realise your name don,t suit the country your in
![]() Well down here we are a lot more lucky; we have a few contacts in kiwiland for Allis parts. First up call jim keaney at Trackweld in Hamilton. He can still get a lot of new allis undercarriage, and if he can,t he knows what adapts and fits. Also there is the NZ Guru of HD11s Lex Norton who lives in kaikohe and has a lot of HD11 parts. And other people on here like Mactractor know a lot about 11s. me and him both live in thames. Cheers merv ![]() |
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tits tyres and tracks
they all cost you money |
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Tennessee Plowboy ![]() Bronze Level ![]() ![]() Joined: 19 Aug 2015 Location: Auckland NZ Points: 8 |
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Thanks Heaps, for all the input, guys.
Yeah, HD6 Merv, 'You can take the boy out of the country but you can't take the country out of the boy". I had come up with the cat 6.91" arrangement as the closest. Ive been a Kiwi now for bout 20 yrs, an the dozer I'm buying is in TN. Just dreaming of wearing out the undercarriage and the seller has a new never run rail and grouser assy taken off a D6C he'll trow in for a couple thousand. I may never use up the bottom of the old AC Hd11 but 'it's a thought' about those cat chains laying there. The re-power job with a GM 6V93 TA not at start up yet and deal hinges on that but for $5000, the old machine looks pretty sweet. I figure it'll be a supped up dozer with the GM rated at 385HP. A bit concerned that the extra power may break the power train. Just knowin you got the power to shell it out will help to protect it but Ive picked up that the AC line was as good as any at the time it was built. |
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DMiller ![]() Orange Level Access ![]() Joined: 14 Sep 2009 Location: Hermann, Mo Points: 33282 |
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Detroits are two stroke, sound like hell screaming for release on a straight stack but still low RPM, As they are two stroke make a lot of HP but lacking a wider torque band, on a converter tractor should not be a issue to keep it wound up. In semis they were called screamin demons or driptroits, been around them over forty years.
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keithhod ![]() Bronze Level ![]() Joined: 01 May 2015 Location: mississippi Points: 3 |
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Anyone got a sprocket for HD11EP laying around?
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keithhod ![]() Bronze Level ![]() Joined: 01 May 2015 Location: mississippi Points: 3 |
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Sorry that posted twice for some reason.
Edited by keithhod - 29 Sep 2015 at 8:22am |
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ac_sd ![]() Silver Level ![]() Joined: 23 Apr 2011 Points: 194 |
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I've got 2 new sprocket rims off an HD-11AG s/n 10,000+... San Diego
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HD11TEX ![]() Bronze Level ![]() ![]() Joined: 14 Aug 2018 Location: Texas Points: 9 |
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Do you still have rims?
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7060 ![]() Orange Level ![]() ![]() Joined: 16 Sep 2009 Location: Missouri Points: 1148 |
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Henderson manufacturing will sell you new rims for about $400 each
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HD11TEX ![]() Bronze Level ![]() ![]() Joined: 14 Aug 2018 Location: Texas Points: 9 |
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Thanks, spoke to them this am.
I would like to get another sprocket hub or two as well. |
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brobertsfarm ![]() Bronze Level ![]() Joined: 30 Oct 2018 Location: Waynesboro Points: 5 |
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Does anyone know where I can get sprocket bolts from. The guy I bought my machine from he welded the sprockets in place. I bought new sprockets segments with intent of using the old bolts. What he did he never did any maintenance to the machine. The segments got loose he never tightened the bolts and ran them loose. He either welded the bolts in place or replaced with the wrong size bolt and it’s wore the segment out.
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Steve allis dozer ![]() Silver Level Access ![]() Joined: 10 Apr 2011 Location: Australia Points: 232 |
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You can use CAT sprocket segment bolts they need to have a little bit machined off the Diameter (should be able to machine them to suit your warn holes)
Regards steve
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Ray54 ![]() Orange Level Access ![]() Joined: 22 Nov 2009 Location: Paso Robles, Ca Points: 4685 |
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Cat bolt are better than most others. Depending on dealer they are even cheaper than most others.
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brobertsfarm ![]() Bronze Level ![]() Joined: 30 Oct 2018 Location: Waynesboro Points: 5 |
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What size bolt should I go with for the hd11. What size machine in cat uses these size bolts. I got new sprocket segment I washed the old ones off
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brobertsfarm ![]() Bronze Level ![]() Joined: 30 Oct 2018 Location: Waynesboro Points: 5 |
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TTT
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DMiller ![]() Orange Level Access ![]() Joined: 14 Sep 2009 Location: Hermann, Mo Points: 33282 |
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The originals were 5/8" fine thread but I believe the heads specialized to crown against the sprocket rim. Will need to do some measuring to keep enough shank inside the segments and enough thread to engage a full tall nut with a few threads outside. I Have nothing as to a spec length.
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brobertsfarm ![]() Bronze Level ![]() Joined: 30 Oct 2018 Location: Waynesboro Points: 5 |
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Ok thanks this helps was just curious as to what cat machine used the same bolt. Seen on here people talking about converting full Undercarriage to cat
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Lazyts ![]() Orange Level ![]() Joined: 05 Feb 2012 Location: Manitoba Points: 632 |
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These bolts are still available from Minnpar, part # 70679545. You can also use a 5/8" track bolt in a pinch- but I don't think they're quite as tight..
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Ray54 ![]() Orange Level Access ![]() Joined: 22 Nov 2009 Location: Paso Robles, Ca Points: 4685 |
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My Cat dealer will find bolts by size,such as 5/8 by x long . I had a catalog from them years ago titled ONE SAFE SOURCE ,and have seen links to a on line variation.
Have also heard of dealers where they go out of there way to chase you off if you don't buy a machine from them. But from my experience Cat bolts are as good as there is. But if the dealer is a$$,probably not worth the effort.
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richdame43 ![]() Bronze Level ![]() Joined: 08 Nov 2018 Location: New York Points: 8 |
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Got sprockets rollers whole undercarriage on a complete HD11 EP will check serial number this afternoon .Whole machine is for sale in upstate ny
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richdame43 ![]() Bronze Level ![]() Joined: 08 Nov 2018 Location: New York Points: 8 |
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sERIAL NO. IS 12202 HAS TORQUE CONVERTER ETC.
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richdame43 ![]() Bronze Level ![]() Joined: 08 Nov 2018 Location: New York Points: 8 |
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I have a pair send me your email and i will send you pics
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richdame43 ![]() Bronze Level ![]() Joined: 08 Nov 2018 Location: New York Points: 8 |
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I have an HD11 ep looking for a new home This machine has been parked for about 8 or 9 years not in too bad shape . I have some photos that i could share with anyone who is interested . Machine is located on the east coast .
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HD11TEX ![]() Bronze Level ![]() ![]() Joined: 14 Aug 2018 Location: Texas Points: 9 |
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Any pictures?
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Ritz ![]() Bronze Level ![]() Joined: 24 Jan 2019 Location: Tranquillity CA Points: 1 |
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I have an HD 11E located in California I am going to sell. Photos and video if you are interested. The unit is field ready with a mounted dozer and is very tight. I know we are a distance apart but just want to let you know it is available. There is not ROPS and I am asking $7000.
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