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 Posted: 13 Nov 2020 at 8:16pm |
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I have no clue what a snow blower is worth- I haven't actually seen one in person. We don't use them out here since we don't get much. How does the three point work- is it a good system, or feel like a nightmare to run? A three point isn't something we'd use when running a baler or wagon, but if we wanted to put rows in or something, it would be used obviously. Do you know how to post pictures to threads? I'd be interested in seeing the tractor and that setup. It may be a good option for us, or if not, I love seeing homemade solutions. I often steal ideas and try to make stuff that way
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HD6GTOM
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Posted: 13 Nov 2020 at 9:53pm |
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I've got a 200 I would love to try on your bale wagon. It is a little light on the front end when hauling big bales up steep slopes. I don't have any weights hanging out front. This starts great, runs great, hydraulic PTO, 18.4x38 rears, heat but air cond doesn't work. I think 1 would make you a great haying tractor. Oh ya, its far easier on fuel than a 4020.
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Dakota Dave
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Posted: 14 Nov 2020 at 12:02am |
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The 3 pt on a 190 just runs off the snap coupler lift arms. It's convenient to use the controls are all on the counsel right by the throttle and power director. My 190 is a gas and it's really to big for a yard tractor. I put a cab on after I got it the cab was real easy to install it took a couple hours start to finish. Would have been much easier if I would have used the crappy Allis steps. I have after market steps that are much wider and three steps instead of just one. But I had to drill the mounting holes when I put the cab on. We use three case magnums for haying at the farm. Only do 5x6 rounds we use a 9270 for hay but I'm hauling 48 2000 lb bales a load. Two widened semi trailers with a dolly stacked 2 high.
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Posted: 14 Nov 2020 at 11:00am |
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Do you know how to post pictures to threads? |
I will take some pics of the tractor and 3-point when I get a chance. Right now I'm in the middle of deer hunting, won't get much done til its done. This snowblower goes from $1,500 to $2,500 depending on condition. This one has some welding on it but otherwise is not in bad shape. I understand not needing one there, wish I did not but I can't use it on my WD45, way too big. That's why I'm saying a package deal. If it were not for the snowblower, I'd take this 3-point off, I don't like how it's made.
These are a good bit from you but I thought I would just throw these out. I honestly don't care if I sell this old gal or not, she looks good sitting here albeit not getting used.
Edited by NDBirdman - 14 Nov 2020 at 11:09am
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1955 WD45 S#205467, 190XT #6652 DXT
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Kenny L.
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Posted: 14 Nov 2020 at 11:22am |
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Have you look at a 8010 allis, the 8000 series have great cab and visibility, the 301 is great on fuel, just another option.
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Posted: 14 Nov 2020 at 1:18pm |
Growing up in the late 60's and early 70's, the farm I worked on used a New Holland baler with a kicker. Had three big wagons. The D17 gas ran the baler and the guys wife did the baling. She didn't give it a break, she pushed it right across the field. The wagons were brought back to the barn with a WD45. The only weight was the ballast in the rear tires.
I worked on another farm one year, and I hated it. They baled with a IH560, an NH baler and me on the wagons stacking the bales. The wife took the wagons back to the barn with the McCormick 300 or H Farmall. She unloaded them onto a conveyor and they stacked themselves. I didn't pay any attention but I think they were all gas. I hate IH to this day! But if you don't want Orange, I would recommend the IH. The old ones, I'm not sure on these new Case.
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matador
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Posted: 14 Nov 2020 at 1:21pm |
An 8010 is pretty much my dream haying tractor. On a budget of $5000 though, I might be looking awhile 
Someday, someday....
Anyways, I'll have to check shipping from North Dakota- amazingly, it was pretty reasonable to get one shipped out here from the Omaha area. Out here, you just don't find much in the way of equipment at all. Whatever we end up with, the odds of it being trucked in from out of state are almost guaranteed
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Posted: 18 Nov 2020 at 10:24pm |
So, we got our tractor today. Forgive me for sinning and not picking up an orange tractor, but we bought a green one (No, not that green. Meadow green) that we thought went for an insanely good price. The guy who owned it clearly went to town with the spray gun and decal kit, but we talked with him and it sounds like a good tractor.
For $3500 plus the cost to get it trucked out here, how do you think we did?
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Posted: 19 Nov 2020 at 12:49am |
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that's a sweet looking 6080 on Big Iron. i also saw that Oliver on their sale and thought it looked good too. good luck with it. they also made good tractors.
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Posted: 19 Nov 2020 at 1:00am |
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look for a newer 7000 series AC tractor,l they have great steps for the cab, i think you can prolly bolt the newer style steps on your older tractor.
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Posted: 19 Nov 2020 at 9:05am |
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Yeah, we're going to be doing something this winter with the steps on our 7040. I've fallen off that thing twice and cracked the top window the second time. Nice tractor, but I can't stand that ladder entry system
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Posted: 21 Nov 2020 at 11:00pm |
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Maybe it's time to step up to a NH 1049 self propelled balewagon, They are getting a lot cheaper then a few years ago as so many guys are going to big round or square bales. I was sure happy I got a 1049 and sold my 1033.
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Posted: 25 Dec 2020 at 9:46pm |
The day will probably come for a self propelled wagon, but that'll likely be a long time in the future
I figured a little closure and Christmas spirit is in order. This is a video of my father seeing his Christmas gift for the first time: https://streamable.com/7fetiw
The tractor itself isn't driveable now- the steering cylinder needs a rebuild, and I had to have the radiator soldered. But, we don't need it until Spring anyways, and seeing his smile makes it all worthwhile
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HD6GTOM
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Posted: 26 Dec 2020 at 1:49am |
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You know the hydra power in those freewheel in low side? I had a 1800 C diesel and really liked it, but it would use 2 gallons of motor oil just baling hay. I couldn't find anyone who would overhaul the darn Waukashaw diesel. I traded it for a 200 AC. The brakes on my 1800 c started going bad, Wheels would lock up. I replaced everything inside the brake housing and they still locked up. If the hydraulics get week, more than likely the pump is bad. It is under the very heavy piece of cast steel that the seat is bolted to. To do work on most anything on or in the rearend/ hydraulic system you gotta pull the PTO shaft.
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Posted: 28 Dec 2020 at 12:32am |
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Looks like Dad got a really nice Christmas present! I see it's just as dry up your way as it is down on the front range of Colorado.
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Posted: 28 Dec 2020 at 7:19am |
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We baled a ton with a D 15 series 2, I would say a D17 or a 175 would be great, I loved the high and low with the neutral in between.
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Posted: 29 Dec 2020 at 10:13am |
Yeah, we can't get a single flake of snow up here. It's supposed to hit 40 degrees every day into the new year. Usually we have the blade hooked up to plow the road by now. This year, it's so nice out that I hooked the 7040 onto our field cultivator and brought it in the yard to start changing points.
Hopefully the mechanic finishes with the steering cylinder this week- would be nice to get the Oliver finished up this weekend. Not like we need it until March anyways, but still- I like things to be finished and in the yard, not sitting in the shop.
We need snow badly out here- we got nothing all fall, so it's bone dry up here. This is one of those years that we could be baling straw on the first of January if we had any left to put up
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Posted: 29 Dec 2020 at 10:33pm |
One year I baled hay in January that I had cut in October just before a blizzard. Still was green and the buyer's horses like it. Looks like the entire west is going to have a dry winter, hopefully spring will bring some moisture, otherwise there won't be much hay to cut or grain to harvest. BTW, that is one pretty Oliver you got, I hope it runs as good as it looks!
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Posted: 30 Dec 2020 at 7:06am |
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If you are looking to spend as little as possible then it sounds to me either you have to buy a worn out rig or put the controls in the cab of the 7040, install black belly steps, install a Gleaner combine steering wheel and install a swivel under you seat. IMO that is your cheapest route.
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Posted: 30 Dec 2020 at 7:16am |
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Oh and install the door linkage at the top of the door from a black belly tractor..... or one of those shock kits sold on this forum that I hope to justify one day soon.
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Posted: 30 Dec 2020 at 12:06pm |
The cab door shock interests me- that's something I'd like to do with ours. And of course the steps- that cab and I don't really get along too well as it is.
One of the problems for us running that 7040 on straw is that with two of us running at the same time, well.... it would be impossible to run one tractor. When we add a second bale wagon in a couple years, I'm hoping we find one with the cab controls. Sod Buster has the full in-cab control set listed at $1,750. Quite a chunk of money to spend, but on a 7000 series, you almost have to since the cab is so far forwards. It's nice for other jobs, but that tractor just doesn't like the bale wagon much. That's what stopped me from really looking at another 7000-series Allis. There were a couple nice 7000's on BigIron that I passed on. If it wasn't for the bale wagon, I'd have one of those in a heartbeat.
We ended up with an Oliver 1800A (This one to be more precise: https://www.bigiron.com/Lots/1962OliverCheckerboard18002WDTractor ) . The neighbor and local mechanic both think the engine and transmission are in good shape. The steering cylinder was damaged, but we had a bit of an accident unloading it off the trailer. I think that made the problem a lot worse, but the mechanic thinks the tractor was like that before the auction. We'll never know, but it's not an expensive repair job at least. Some water is in the hydraulic oil, so that'll be flushed when we put the cylinder back in to make sure we're running clean oil. Other than that, it looks like the only issue will be tires, and I knew that going into the auction. I wish the seller would have saved the money he spent on decals and paint and bought some front tires for it or better used rears or something like that, but I can't complain. It's not like you should be getting stuck in the mud with a baler anyways. I'm hoping we can get a year or two from the Goodyears on the back.
The good news is that everything looks in pretty good shape for the age. Running a baler and bale wagon should give this tractor a pretty easy life too. I wish it was an orange one, but you know what they say: The best tractor is the one that makes you money. If this one gives reliable service, I'll be more than happy with it
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Posted: 30 Dec 2020 at 2:15pm |
Nice looking tractor. I didn't see this second page or that you got another tractor. Hopefully the engine has been overhauled once because the wrist pin area was trouble in the A series but at some point they sorta addressed it with a different style bushing. Watch onelonelyfarmer videos to that yes sometimes you do get stuck baling hay. 
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Posted: 31 Dec 2020 at 6:38pm |
I have no clue on that, but our local mechanic gave it a quick look-over when he was over at the neighbors for one of their problems (S670 combine that apparently needs a new engine). He seems to really like it. Hopefully that's a good sign
Last year I did manage to get stuck with the neighbor's bale wagon in their hay field. That field is such an alkali patch that everyone gets stuck at some point out there. They put rows in the field to irrigate it, and have never set a tube on the place. It's just that moist that the alfalfa just grows without it.
Though, in that situation, I don't think there's any tire that would have made a difference. They had to use their Caterpillar to pull it out
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Posted: 31 Dec 2020 at 8:41pm |
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How feasible is it for you to also repair the 2-105 later, especially since you liked it. Maybe a perkins transplant from an old White or Massey combine? I'm not a Perkins fan but their engines had been popular. Any old White 8600 combines or the like sitting around?
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Posted: 01 Jan 2021 at 9:41am |
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I run a 1069 bale wagon and had a 1049 for about the last 15 years. Before you by a second pull type, sell it and go get a 1049 and do twice the work by yourself. I can load 160 bales in 15 minutes in 75 bale to the acre fields.
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Posted: 01 Jan 2021 at 11:08am |
I wish I knew how to pull an engine- fixing that White is so tempting. I've never seen a White combine out here, but there are some old Massey ones floating around. A lot of those 2-105's were converted to a 5.9 Cummins, but I'd hate to imagine the cost on all the bits to change one over
A self-propelled wagon would be so nice. Right now, the 1033 we're running is the neighbor's wagon. I'd be happy just to have one wagon that's ours right now. As we grow though, I don't see how we'd be without a self-propelled wagon for more than a few years. With our irrigation marks, grapples just don't work as nicely as they should. Everyone runs the New Holland wagons out here
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Posted: 01 Jan 2021 at 1:59pm |
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I was going to suggest the same as Wekracer, get a 1049, money is cheap to borrow right now and there are lots of the older wagons around not being used as the farms went to the big squares. I have a neighbor who is retiring who has a 1069, I'll check if he has sold it yet. As was said above, you will not believe how much more productive you will become with a self propelled. Pulling an Oliver engine is one of the easiest tractors to do as the engine is bolted to the frame like a truck and is attached to the transmission with a coupler, I suspect even a novice could pull one in half a day with the use of a loader.
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