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Don(MI) 
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Posted: 13 Jul 2018 at 11:06am |
Hey Guys, A month or so ago, I picked up a nice Allis Running gear that previously had been a self unloading Silage wagon. Now, all that is left is the wood deck and running gear. Gear is in nice shape and I can easily read the Allis Decal, but the wood deck is shot. So, my question. What do you guys recommend as a replacement deck?
Have been told to put 2x6 treated tongue & Groove lumber on it, to keep the water from going down through. I don't have an inside storage spot to keep it. Also, have been told to use rough sawn lumber, Because when wet it should be a non-slip surface. Any dimensional lumber when wet could be slippery. Anyways, I plan to use it for light use. Haul pumpkins or small parts, and maybe some hay wagon rides in the fall.
Thoughts on this 1?
Thanks! Don
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Posted: 13 Jul 2018 at 11:39am |
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Rough sawed white oak. and cross members the same.... and don't forgit to accidentally spill a good quantity of used diesel oil over them stringers, crossmembers and floor boards... and let em soak it up. then do it every few years. might last 40 or more years outdoors.
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Posted: 13 Jul 2018 at 11:49am |
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I disagree with tongue and groove. You want rid of moisture the quickest way possible and not to hold it.
I agree with JC, spill some used oil on it and mop it in on one of these hot sunny days while the grain is open.
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Posted: 13 Jul 2018 at 11:56am |
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some around here that had solid floors on their wagons nailed asphalt shingles down on top for foot traction. I agree with spacing the boards apart to get rid of rain and melting snow. dirty oil will keep staining peoples clothes and painting hides any rotting under the paint. i'd use linseed oil in a pump sprayer and get it between the boards and up underneath, treat the wood as you build it.
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Posted: 13 Jul 2018 at 3:31pm |
The kicker wagon we used to sell had a gape between boards that lets the water go threw and we soaked them down every fall with used motor oil mixed with diesel fuel when they was dry to keep the water from soaking into them because we had to store them outside.
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Posted: 13 Jul 2018 at 8:40pm |
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The ones I've seen around here were all built with rough sawn oak with small gaps between the boards. They look pretty when they are new. It'll take a ton of carriage bolts to build one!
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Posted: 13 Jul 2018 at 9:09pm |
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I just did a new idea three axel running gear. I used rough sawn white oak. 4” x 6” x 16’ stringers, 3” x 4” x 8’ cross members and 1.5” x 6” x 16’ tip boards. If you search this site for new idea the post with pics should come up
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Posted: 13 Jul 2018 at 10:03pm |
Here is a link to Michael Crowe's thread,
Michael, your wagon is looking good, have you got pictures of it finished?
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Posted: 14 Jul 2018 at 7:15am |
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I don’t know how to use the quote function but I just bet my post on my wagon completed pics in the farm section
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Posted: 14 Jul 2018 at 7:18am |
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Posted: 14 Jul 2018 at 7:41am |
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When I built the wagon, I used pipe clamps to hold the top boards snug against each other, and now that they have dried and shrunk a bit they have maybe 3/16” gap between them. I’m taking both my wagons to shoes this summer.
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Posted: 14 Jul 2018 at 7:41am |
Michael the link worked and the hay bed turned out awesome. That’s the first tandem running gear I’ve seen. 👍
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Posted: 14 Jul 2018 at 11:09am |
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spill some used oil on it and mop it in on one of these hot sunny days while the grain is open.
exactly what I do on my freshly done floor on the cargo trailer. Diff is that I used Yellow pine.
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Posted: 14 Jul 2018 at 12:36pm |
Dave H, Michael has three coats of linseed oil on it now. I know when we built our white oak rack, there was several gallons of dieel oilt that got soaked in and had that treatment done many times over the years and it lasted close to 40 years...but it finally got to old out in the elements. Mike's wagon...
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Posted: 14 Jul 2018 at 12:50pm |
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Well I will go against the grain and suggest you use pressure treated lumber and be done with it. I do spray my favorite mixture of oil by products on my mower and car hauler trailer but it's another task that could be elimated if pressure treated lumber is used.
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Posted: 14 Jul 2018 at 1:28pm |
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Anyone remember the old creosote or penta-treat products for putting on wood?
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Posted: 14 Jul 2018 at 5:23pm |
Oak is very good if the wagon is stored inside otherwise the only way to go is treated lumber.
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Posted: 15 Jul 2018 at 7:55pm |
 JC(WI) wrote:
Anyone remember the old creosote or penta-treat products for putting on wood?
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Yes that is toxic waste when you take the rotted out part to the dump here in the Land of Fruits and Nuts. So I leave it all to rot away in a gully  somewhere out of the way.
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Posted: 18 Jul 2018 at 9:25pm |
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Thanks guys!!!
Well, I was set to start buying lumber for the 'ol wagon but the car I been driving to work mighta blew an intake gasket. It's leaking coolant pretty good. Put Bars leak in it tonight and it held up so far.
Probably won't start working on the wagon now until I get the vehicles straigtened out and I know I can spare some $$$ beyond buying a different car. Will see though...I do really want to get this wagon finished and resteel my barn by October. Ain't never enough time!!!
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Posted: 01 Aug 2018 at 9:30pm |
So I made some progress on my project, stripped the old wagon deck boards tonight. Just have to take off the 1x3" strip boards off the 2x6s in the pictures, then redeck it all. Thanks again for all the help and will try to take pics when its done! Posting pictures anymore drives me crazy! Ha Help!!! https://www.michigan-sportsman.com/forum/media/20180801_190602.119568/fullhttps://www.michigan-sportsman.com/forum/media/20180801_190549.119567/full
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Posted: 12 Aug 2018 at 3:04pm |
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I was wondering where you was on that project. The other day I saw some rough cut oak on Flint CL. I think it was Flint! I believe he said they were 5/4" boards.
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Posted: 13 Aug 2018 at 7:11am |
Gordy wrote:
Oak is very good if the wagon is stored inside otherwise the only way to go is treated lumber.
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Treated lumber is the way I suppose for lasting, but I don't like stacking hay on treated lumber wagons, too dang slippery!
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Posted: 19 Aug 2018 at 8:33am |
The only downfall to treating with old engine oil or a diesel fuel/oil mix is that it is very slippery when it gets wet. One of our neighbors used a coating of roofing tar thinned with gasoline. He did all the lumber on three sides before building it. He left the bottom of the boards untreated so moisture could escape. Around here, a lot of hay racks are built with larch or tamarack. You have to make sure to get it fastened while it's green. It is virtually impossible to nail after it's dried without drilling first.
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Posted: 09 Sep 2018 at 11:43pm |
I see oak has been the primary wood mentioned for a hay wagon. Has anyone used white ash in building a hay wagon? We have a good sized woods with a lot of it, and with the coming of the emerald ash borer, I can make use of it for a hay wagon. I acquired a Kory running gear from my brother-in-law and am using it know for just hauling logs. With a rack on it, I may be able to use it for more things.
In reading the uses for ash, I was concerned about the warping/cracking/drying out problems. It may or may not be stored inside so I would follow the ideas presented before to preserve the wood.
Any thoughts on this?
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Posted: 10 Sep 2018 at 5:47am |
Joe in Manty wrote:
I see oak has been the primary wood mentioned for a hay wagon. Has anyone used white ash in building a hay wagon? We have a good sized woods with a lot of it, and with the coming of the emerald ash borer, I can make use of it for a hay wagon. I acquired a Kory running gear from my brother-in-law and am using it know for just hauling logs. With a rack on it, I may be able to use it for more things.
In reading the uses for ash, I was concerned about the warping/cracking/drying out problems.
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It is strong enough, if it sits out in the weather it will rot much quicker than white oak. When building a wagon I cut and fit the wood then coat all the hidden areas with a few coats of drain oil then assemble and a few coats on the finished wagon with a paint roller.
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Posted: 10 Sep 2018 at 5:53am |
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I’ll second that ash doesn’t work that well, and treated lumber is slippery and only pine. Oak is my preference.
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