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Just wondering,, but figured so,, gotta see the internsls of compition! AC was always pretty hot tho !
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Here's a picture of me working on one of our competitors engines in the experimental lab. This was taken in the fall of 1968.
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Doug, did you know Ed Paris and his Brother-in-Law John? Ed retired before they closed. Ed was my ex father-in law and he retired to San Diego California, Ed passed away at 82. They both worked for many years in the test lab.
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Would you guys happen to know the history of the 516, aka 11000 series?

This was actually a Buda design that transitioned to Allis, correct?

We find it amazing that when it came out it was NA and well under 100 HP, and in its final run, it was turboed and intercooled, and pushing 270 HP in the N7 and R7 Gleaners.

We have thought about making a little "Powered by Buda" decal for the tail of our R7s. :)

Great info and stories guys, much appreciated, and keep them coming! Allways cool to hear about life at Allis.


Gleaner: the properly engineered and built combine.

If you need parts for your Gleaner, we are parting out A's through L2's, so we may be able to help.
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Great stories. Thanks for sharing.
Ernie, what years did the freight liners get the AC 3500 engines?
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Originally posted by GM Guy GM Guy wrote:

Would you guys happen to know the history of the 516, aka 11000 series?

This was actually a Buda design that transitioned to Allis, correct? Yes

We find it amazing that when it came out it was NA and well under 100 HP, and in its final run, it was turboed and intercooled, and pushing 270 HP in the N7 and R7 Gleaners. The NA's were called 10000's and with the turbo they were 11000's

We have thought about making a little "Powered by Buda" decal for the tail of our R7s. :)

Great info and stories guys, much appreciated, and keep them coming! Allways cool to hear about life at Allis.


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We started testing them in the early 70's and tested many of them. They must have been used in the medium duty trucks.
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Ernie, did you ever work in the engine test labs in West Allis? My great uncle, Arnie Carlson, worked there and got to go to the Nebraska test track a few times.
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Never went to West Allis, I did work in Springfield Illinois for a couple weeks doing engine updates.
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Another Amen to the earlier posts about A-C decision to dabble in the "Big Al" project.  From my perspective, the company had some excellent engineering and innovation, but spread itself too thin, so it never got into a dominant position in most of their fields.  They were leaders in small combines,  and the WD, WD-45 were ahead of most in their time.  Why try to compete with the established dominant companies in trucking engines, stick to ag and construction, and improvements there.  But that's easy to say in hindsight I know.  I suspect they felt they had to increase the volume in the Harvey plant to make it competitive, but.....
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Jack, did you know Ed Paris and his Brother-in-Law John? Ed retired before they closed. Ed was my ex father-in law and he retired to San Diego California, Ed passed away at 82. They both worked for many years in the test lab. I on occasion as needed would work the 2nd shift on the V12's being tested. Most times all I had to do was record the readings and just be bored when I read all I had.
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I hated testing the 844's that were built for power generators. They had oiled woodward governors and that was very difficult to set and you occasionally had a runaway. That made you want to run away.
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Originally posted by Ernie Gerald Ernie Gerald wrote:

Jack, did you know Ed Paris and his Brother-in-Law John? Ed retired before they closed. Ed was my ex father-in law and he retired to San Diego California, Ed passed away at 82. They both worked for many years in the test lab. I on occasion as needed would work the 2nd shift on the V12's being tested. Most times all I had to do was record the readings and just be bored when I read all I had.

Ed Paris sounds familiar but John doesn't. What side did they work? The test lab was basically 2 sides. One was engine building and testing and the other was the experimental machine shop. In the machine shop they had one of the early CNC machines which was used to machine the experimental V sires blocks. Did ED run that? if so I knew him cause I was very interested in the new machine technologies that were coming and talked with who ever it was about using/ running it.
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Originally posted by Ernie Gerald Ernie Gerald wrote:

I hated testing the 844's that were built for power generators. They had oiled woodward governors and that was very difficult to set and you occasionally had a runaway. That made you want to run away.
Runaway's; kind of like starting up a 2900 or 3500 with the Simms pump. One hand on the start button and the other on the fuel lines disconnect?
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Allis did waste alot of dollars on the 844 ,Big Al then you gotta wonder why they went broke over such bad decicions,, especially when Fiat was looking at AC construction years before
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Ernie, are you still sporting the pork chop sideburns??? They're 'BOSS'!!   Did you test every engine that came down the line, or just a random sample?
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Every engine built was tested. I finally shaved off the porkchops in the mid 80's, that was my Elvis look. Those were the days my friend!
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Ed worked in experimental lab for many years and mostly performed experimental engine tests. However, I'm sure he did most everything they wanted. John also worked many years in the test lab and I'm sure you had seen him and don't remember.
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Originally posted by Ernie Gerald Ernie Gerald wrote:

Ed worked in experimental lab for many years and mostly performed experimental engine tests. However, I'm sure he did most everything they wanted. John also worked many years in the test lab and I'm sure you had seen him and don't remember.
I must have known them but , your right it's been quite a few years ago. Speaking of remembering; did you recognized the aisle in my photo? 
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Yes, walked through there several times. I had the enclosed V-12 test cell on the northeast side by the north door.
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We always had a hardcover book handy to put over the intake, it took a while for the filters to run dry therefore instant stop. I once saw a 844 running full bore and the huge Water dyno seized up and the engine bent the dyno shaft as it pulled the stand up out of the concrete floor and the engine turned on its side. I once had a D11000 throw a rod through the side of the block taking out a piece of the camshaft and took out the big beam load indicator and damaged the console, The rod went right by my left ear and hit the console. a worker on the assembly line missed torqueing that rod.

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how are you ?? I remember ed paris. 
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how old were you then ????
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Originally posted by Brian Jasper co. Ia Brian Jasper co. Ia wrote:

Isn't Harvey kinda on the south side? If it's where I think it is, that's not a good place to be in the daytime, let alone after dark. GM's training center is in Hinsdale and after class once I thought I'd go to the museum of science and history. It didn't register that I took a path straight through the ghetto. If you don't lay rubber the instant traffic lights turn green, they honk at you.

Was there back in '88 or '89. Was just exactly as you described back then too. Me and 4 of my friends were gong to catch the Twins and Soxs but they were sold out and in that day we didn't dare buy from the scalpers. Anyhow, we drove around and went to the museum and just drove around some more. I couldn't believe it when they instantly honked when the light was green and we once made a wrong turn down some back street past an alley and when we drove by there must have been 30 or more "Norwegians" in the alley. We turned around knowing we were in a bad spot and passed the alley again and not a soul was there. That was within 30 seconds or a minutes time. Also, being dumb hicks who trusted everyone we decided to drive to go eat at a pizza place and when we walked in we were the only real Norwegians in the place and it was instant quiet when we walked in. We sat down at a table and noticed everyone there was staring at us 5 guys and after about 5 minutes and when no one came to wait on our table we thought it best we leave so we left. Never did that again!
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Wait a minute, this thread is 7 or 8 years old!
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AGCO's main warehouse is still in Batavia. I assume it's just been updated through the years. It's good to see a little bit of Allis here and there. It's all we've got I guess. 
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Originally posted by brucecr brucecr wrote:


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how are you ?? I remember ed paris. 

I'm afraid Ernies last visit was December of 2014.
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Thank you guys for all the pictures and information. It's sad to see the building go. It's sad when times change and such an industry powerhouse be reduced to almost nothing. Thank you to everyone who keeps the A-C family alive!
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Yea seems like he joined about same time as thread started an last visited at end of thread. Really cool info. Gana have to go back and read it all
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Harvey is on the southeast edge of Chicago.  Just north of I-80.  Halstead is a main north / south street.  High crime, high poverty area.  Please be very careful if you go there.  
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