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Posted: 20 Jan 2021 at 11:42am |
Has anybody tried to adapt a way to use an electric drill or battery drill to start a hand start B??????? have an idea it might work any suggestions ? or thoughts
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cpg
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Posted: 20 Jan 2021 at 12:02pm |
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You would need a very good drill I would think. Mine is just a standard 3/8" chuck so nothing huge but I had tried once with a socket adapter to start a tecumseh 12hp with it that had a bad starter and it didn't spin that well enough to start it trying to get over compression. If you had a big industrial drill maybe but it would need a good amount of torque.
Edited by cpg - 20 Jan 2021 at 12:02pm
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Posted: 20 Jan 2021 at 12:08pm |
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I can't imagine a drill having the combination of torque and then the acceleration a man puts on a crank. I've never tried or even seen anyone start a B, but I have seen my dad start other tractors.
Edited by Tbone95 - 20 Jan 2021 at 12:09pm
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Posted: 20 Jan 2021 at 12:22pm |
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Even with a heavy 1/2" drill motor, which is already geared down, you would need more speed reduction gearing to get the torque needed to turn the B over, and then, if that by some engineering quark, should work, I doubt you would have the speed......although I have been wrong before
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Posted: 20 Jan 2021 at 12:57pm |
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I'd like to know WHO in their right mind would actually hold onto an electric drill to start a B !!!!
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Posted: 20 Jan 2021 at 1:12pm |
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better have a strong wrist IMO
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Posted: 20 Jan 2021 at 2:43pm |
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Posted: 20 Jan 2021 at 2:57pm |
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I used a 3/4" shaft with a pin in one end and turned down the other to 1/2" chucked in a Milwaukee heavy duty drill. Cranked motor pretty good, had a handle out each side, eventually stripped a gear in drill.
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Posted: 20 Jan 2021 at 4:30pm |
I have a VERY large drill equipped with a Morse taper that I once used to "try" to start a 4 cyl Continental engine on a DC Welder for a friend of mine. ' never did get it started that day but we must have turned it over on and off for a half hour. We welded a piece of rod to a sawed off drill bit and put in a cross pin to match the hand crank. Believe me, we did not attempt to hold on to the drill: instead, we blocked it up really good with cribbing. It had way more torque than required for that little engine. My drill is geared way down but I think it still turned the engine over faster than a hand crank. So....if you have a big enough drill, it is certainly possible. You just have to be a little innovative in building an adaptor which is not that difficult.
Edited by Brian G. NY - 20 Jan 2021 at 4:34pm
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Posted: 20 Jan 2021 at 8:55pm |
I saw this set up at a show several years ago. The guy had increased the compression on the B making it harder to crank start, so he came up with this. Once he had the Briggs fired up, it wasn't long before the B was running.
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Posted: 20 Jan 2021 at 10:00pm |
If you could find one of them starters they use on the formula one cars it would probably do the trick. Another thought that might be cheaper would be a hydraulic motor. I wonder if you could run a belt from a belt pulley on one tractor to the belt pulley on the B? A friend used to start his smaller tractor with the neighbors H that way.
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Posted: 20 Jan 2021 at 10:30pm |
At one time you could get a gear reduction to add to starters.
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Posted: 21 Jan 2021 at 6:45am |
It'd 'B' a LOT easier and cheaper to just add the OEM starter...... 
You could lengthen the hand crank. That'd give you some advantage.... I'm wondering how many HP you need to spin the engine ?
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Posted: 21 Jan 2021 at 6:53am |
To me, the thing you need to do if you don't want to crank start it anymore is change the torque tube over to a Starter motor setup, and stick a Starter motor in it. Why kill yourself with somethin' like that? That to me is setting yourself up to get hurt! Tough to get things done when your hand or wrist is in a cast...... just sayin'.... LOL! Steve@B&B
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Posted: 21 Jan 2021 at 7:47am |
 john(MI) wrote:
... I wonder if you could run a belt from a belt pulley on one tractor to the belt pulley on the B? ... |
I've done that a few times when nothing else worked.
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Posted: 21 Jan 2021 at 8:20am |
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If it starts that hard fix it
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Posted: 21 Jan 2021 at 8:44am |
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Posted: 21 Jan 2021 at 8:50am |
OK, 'show of hands' please...
How many guys still hand crank a mag equipped 'B' ? I'm thinking there can't B too many.
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Posted: 21 Jan 2021 at 8:56am |
I don't hand crank nottin' wit' ma' bum shoulder.......All my Tractors are equipped with Starter motors. Turn the key, listen to it wing over, and zoom, zoom. Ready to go ta' work! Steve@B&B
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Posted: 21 Jan 2021 at 9:09am |
I hand-crank a number of mine that don't have provisions for a starter, including a wartime B (no electrical installed). My 13 year old son starts them too. Definitely not as easy as hitting a button, but it seems to me that if they're in good shape, hand starting isn't that bad - just a few lifts of the crank - no spinning. I'm sure I'll reach a point in my life where I can't do it anymore, but for now, I'm content. Not saying I've never flooded one and had to break a sweat, but once you learn what they like and dislike, it goes better.
I second the suggestions of, if you want a starter, install the right setup. Seems a whole lot safer and more reliable. Belt pulley starting does work well too, if you've got one that's stubborn or that you're trying to figure out.
Edited by GreenOrange - 21 Jan 2021 at 9:15am
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Posted: 21 Jan 2021 at 10:06am |
I crank start quite a few of mine as they are only equipped with "armstrong starters". '39 B, '28 20-35, '21 Twin city, '26 Twin City, etc. They usually all start on the second pull of the crank.
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Posted: 21 Jan 2021 at 12:45pm |
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Over on "Yesterday's Tractors - Tractor Talk" there is a discussion and pictures of an electric starter for small planes. It would be fun to convert that over to start a tractor.
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Posted: 21 Jan 2021 at 3:03pm |
Some people would just rather *!$$@* rig something that use bolt in parts to accomplish the same thing if it involves spending a few bucks. A tractor that hard to start needs to be owned by someone that lives in West Virginia where's there's no shortage of a hill to park it on  I've been hand cranking a B since I was about 10, that's more than half a century now.
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Posted: 21 Jan 2021 at 3:26pm |
wanna have real 'fun'.... flip over the prop on a float plane roped to a floating dock when a )**%^*(( big boat goes by..... 
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Posted: 21 Jan 2021 at 4:11pm |
Alvin M wrote:
If it starts that hard fix it |
I did. Later. But I needed it to run TODAY, and it takes longer than one day to do an overhaul. For me anyway.
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Posted: 21 Jan 2021 at 4:36pm |
jaybmiller wrote:
OK, 'show of hands' please...
How many guys still hand crank a mag equipped 'B' ? I'm thinking there can't B too many.
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There is a non-starter B on our local Craigslist (Spokane area) that is causing me to break a couple of commandments right now; there is just something elegant about a Model B that is not cluttered up with all of those superfluous electrical gadgets 
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Posted: 21 Jan 2021 at 6:45pm |
Just park it on a hill, like the way you'd start an old VW. With B's you have to have the mount while moving thing down pat, though... 
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Posted: 21 Jan 2021 at 10:05pm |
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My 39 b had a newer torque tube installed with a starter. I had the starter rebuilt to 12 volt. It works well for me.
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Posted: 21 Jan 2021 at 10:34pm |
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I started my C for years with the hand crank. I didn't use the tractor much after I bought a CA and it always had a dead battery. Turn the switch on full choke pull through once choke half way pull once and it started every time. I did rebuild the mag and carb. I also hand cranked the WD many times if there properly tuned it just takes a firm pull and they'll start right up. The impuls coupler in a Mag makes hand cranking easy.
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Posted: 22 Jan 2021 at 10:11am |
i like the belt pulley idea i have the pulley and belt, and a wf would be easy to do . thanks for all the ideas deas
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