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FREEDGUY 
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 Topic: Gravel Driveway Options ??
Posted: 02 Mar 2022 at 5:10pm |
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Freind of mine has a HORRIBLE issue with his drive this season and the frost hasn't even "gurgled" yet "HERE". he's getting quotes for asphalt, limestone, recycled concrete( I told him to BAIL on that due to steel tire spears) and recycled asphalt. What would be your choice of the above-mentioned products ?? Thanks
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klinemar
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Posted: 02 Mar 2022 at 5:21pm |
https://selectstoneohio.com/product/411-berm-stone-bulk/ Berm Mix is the best for a driveway that has no bottom. Your friend is probably too late as Frost Laws limiting how much weight a truck can haul are going on in most counties in Southern Michigan. Unless they live on a Class A road then weight restrictions are less or don't apply.
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Posted: 02 Mar 2022 at 5:48pm |
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Thanks klinemar, I will forward this link
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Lars(wi)
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Posted: 02 Mar 2022 at 7:02pm |
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Have seen people have good results with ground up old asphalt, spread and rolled. Best done in the heat of summer. Very little dust.
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Posted: 02 Mar 2022 at 7:07pm |
I have several tons of ground up puns( crusher pun), I could let you have, if you ask nicely... 
Edited by DiyDave - 02 Mar 2022 at 8:51pm
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Posted: 02 Mar 2022 at 10:18pm |
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I have experimented with putting a matting layer of straw down first in the spongy area, pressing it into the area then covering it with rock. My reasoning for trying this came from watching how they treat wet spots in the grass areas at the farm progress show before they had the roads and also at the state fairgrounds. The straw layer seems to spread the weight and keep you from sinking in.
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Posted: 03 Mar 2022 at 7:11am |
 Lars(wi) wrote:
Have seen people have good results with ground up old asphalt, spread and rolled. Best done in the heat of summer. Very little dust. |
Around here they call that stuff millings. Worked good for me without rolling. It stiffens up quite well in the heat of the summer.
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Posted: 03 Mar 2022 at 2:56pm |
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Here we use a material called chirt. When it arrives it looks like mud and makes you think "boy I've screwed up". But you let it dry a day or two then you can spread it and when you get it spread 2 to 4 inches thick and it dries it's there. It sets up like concrete. And it's about 1/2 price of gravel to boot
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Lars(wi)
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Posted: 03 Mar 2022 at 3:01pm |
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Years ago, my grandfather got what was called ‘cinders’. Spread it out, it was something that didn’t bind together, always stayed kinda loose, although no dust.
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Posted: 03 Mar 2022 at 3:28pm |
kinda depends on the size of the driveway...but.... the BASE is what really counts... and then COMPACTION.....
gotta get rid of ALL 'top soil' like material, then 2-3 layers of 'sub base'(big rocks, well compacted, in 4-6" lifts) ,then layers of 'base', say 3, 4" layers WELL COMPACTED, THEN you can put on the 'top coat'...asphalt,pavers, whatever.
I installed 4by8 pavers on a 1" bed of sand on top of 16" 'base' on compacted subsoil back in 2014. since then I've driven everything on it, including the 7000# forklift( a ZILLION+1 times), pavers are 99.44% original looking.
It's ALL about the base..the stuff you NEVER see, do that RIGHT, you'll only need to do it once.
I has RAP (Recycled Asphalt Pavement) installed next door. As long as you drive on it, it's fine. Since there's no 'binder'(tar), it'll separate into bits. drive over it with something heavy(hmmm...loaded forklift...) and it magically is good again !
My driveway here is 32 year old asphalt, crack at paving seem,only been 'sealed' ONCE, maybe 22-25 years ago. It(base) should have been compacted more..oh well...
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Posted: 03 Mar 2022 at 5:20pm |
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Posted: 03 Mar 2022 at 5:25pm |
Lars(wi) wrote:
Years ago, my grandfather got what was called ‘cinders’. Spread it out, it was something that didn’t bind together, always stayed kinda loose, although no dust. |
Lars, when I was in middle school in the mid '70's , the outdoor running track WAS a CINDER TRACK  . When/if you "wiped-out" on the track, you were digging shrapnel out of knees/elbows for weeks  !!
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Posted: 03 Mar 2022 at 6:09pm |
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Main purpose of a Cinder Track was Leg Strengthening as is similar to running on sand. Gives with every push off yet easier on the ankles/knees as gives as foot comes down. And yes, we all worked hard NOT to fall down.
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Posted: 03 Mar 2022 at 6:20pm |
We have Loess Soils here so do not need a lot of under work for gravel roads. Our drive was Sod pushed off then 2" clean at first then 2" with heavy screenings or Minus rock mixed as a second layer, final was Inch Minus that when wetted and allowed to dry out gets like Concrete. Every heavy rain will soak into topmost layer where several days of rain or as with the recent snows repeated often then quick to thaw and soak in the road still softens up, but just a inch or so of top layer.
In heavy clays around the several counties surrounding ours, the contractors will layer in 3" clean at roughly 5-6" depth, followed with 2" minus topped with Inch Minus and ALWAYS Crowned to allow water to direct to edges.
Our drive is due for a top coat of 1" Minus stone as is over eight years in place.
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Posted: 03 Mar 2022 at 6:57pm |
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If you have really wet unstable soil or any soil- after grading the top off - get a stabilizer fabric, it works great on job sites Im on , and I laughed the first time I seen it used- but dam it works great, sure cuts down on the amount of rock needed and holds up great
Edited by DougG - 03 Mar 2022 at 6:58pm
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Posted: 03 Mar 2022 at 7:18pm |
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Geotextile fabric down first will save tons of rock, literally. I use it in high traffic areas like gates and feed pads. Rock lasts 3 times as long and takes less rock to resurface.
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Posted: 03 Mar 2022 at 7:24pm |
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friend placed old grinding stones down first... yeah 4' round ones, them suckers were friggin heavy, back then, 1978... I was younger then..sigh....
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Posted: 03 Mar 2022 at 7:25pm |
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Several have posted using fabric first and then material. Yes that works as I backed a tri axle dump truck loaded with 12 yards of gravel into a landing as it was being made.With fabric first and then road gravel with no top soil removed. This was on a Oil Pipeline spill cleanup along the Kalamazoo River.
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Posted: 03 Mar 2022 at 11:19pm |
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lime stone will melt from rain, but...it does put a great base down if you use 3 inch lime stone, then after driving on it awhile follow up with 3/4 inch/gravel/crushed and screened concrete/something that is easier to drive over. the big limestone will melt in place and put a good base down for other stuff. some around here are using slag from the plants that melt steel down. right now it's really cheap.
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Posted: 04 Mar 2022 at 6:03am |
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We've used a lot of slag here to. It is cheaper but you have to watch it because there's a few scrap parts in it sometimes. Also if you put down to much of the fine stuff it won't lock together and will continue to roll and move
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Posted: 04 Mar 2022 at 6:20am |
There was an episode of 'Mighty Trains' where the guys laid branches and brush down then ballast for the RR tracks in some really,really boggy part of England or Europe( senior's moment). That was back in the 1850-1890s era... tack is still there... Sounds like geotex is the manmade modern version of it....
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Posted: 04 Mar 2022 at 6:33am |
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Are several quarries here with a really hard limestone, called Dolomite. Is acids and erosion resistant darned near to a granite but still limestone. Hell Hole at Readsville MO, Magruder Limestone in Ashley MO and one I cannot remember name of south of Pevely MO had this stone. Western Arkansas is supposedly loaded with it.
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Posted: 04 Mar 2022 at 7:09am |
I dont do much of that stuff, but when I do I use a 100% Limestone Product from the Calcite plant in Rogers City MI. The binder is crusher fines, no clay what-so-ever. Lay it down, level it up, pack it down good, sprinkle some Dow Flake on it and when it rains it wont melt, it turns to concrete LOL
Then again, the worlds largest open pit limestone quarry is 20 minutes from my house so not everyone may have this option
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Posted: 04 Mar 2022 at 7:12am |
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FYI, If you google map Rogers City MI and switch to satellite view you can see the quarry. The primary crusher was installed back in the 40's (I think) and was built by non other than Allis-Chalmers
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Posted: 04 Mar 2022 at 7:56am |
DonDittmar wrote:
FYI, If you google map Rogers City MI and switch to satellite view you can see the quarry. The primary crusher was installed back in the 40's (I think) and was built by non other than Allis-Chalmers |
Don, didn't realize that's where Millersburg was. Been near there many times, but not quite right there. You aren't all that far away from me.
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Posted: 04 Mar 2022 at 8:02am |
Tbone95 wrote:
DonDittmar wrote:
FYI, If you google map Rogers City MI and switch to satellite view you can see the quarry. The primary crusher was installed back in the 40's (I think) and was built by non other than Allis-Chalmers |
Don, didn't realize that's where Millersburg was. Been near there many times, but not quite right there. You aren't all that far away from me. |
Where are you located? If you ever through the 'burg just let me know.
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Posted: 04 Mar 2022 at 8:52am |
For being a giant hole in the ground, the quarry is kind of neat. Right now they are at like 300 foot below Lake Huron level, so there are pumps that run 24/7 to keep the water out. Some sections they are done mining in and those areas are now flooded. Pumps are run by a 400HP electric motor. A 400HP 440V 3-phase electric motor is a LARGE electric motor LOL. When the quarry first opened at the turn of the century everything was steam and rail. The rail cars pulled along side the crusher and dumped off the side into it. Now everything is large quarry trucks (CAT 797 I think) and they back into the crusher house and dump into it. The material is crushed and then travels by belt to the top of the screen house which is 10 stories tall. It goes through the screen house to different belts depending on stone size and gets dumped into a pile according to the diameter of the stone. Those piles are pushed up by D10 CAT dozers. The material travels under ground through trap doors under the piles, through "the tunnels" and out to the boat loader where it is loaded onto the Great Lakes Ships
It is hard to get into because it is considered a port of entry and is guarded by the US Border Patrol, but during Rogers City's Nautical Festival they have the equipment on display outside the gates. They also do tours at that time, but they are hard to get on. First come/ first serve and fill up quickly
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Posted: 04 Mar 2022 at 9:24am |
Sounds like you are going to have Another GREAT LAKE sometime in the future !
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Posted: 04 Mar 2022 at 11:25am |
DonDittmar wrote:
Tbone95 wrote:
DonDittmar wrote:
FYI, If you google map Rogers City MI and switch to satellite view you can see the quarry. The primary crusher was installed back in the 40's (I think) and was built by non other than Allis-Chalmers |
Don, didn't realize that's where Millersburg was. Been near there many times, but not quite right there. You aren't all that far away from me. |
Where are you located? If you ever through the 'burg just let me know. |
I'm down toward Tawas / West Branch sorta. Used to be up your way a LOT when the kids were younger. Hockey and Softball took me all over the place. I miss those days for the most part........but I can remember $750 per month in gasoline too, can't imagine what it would cost now the way things are going.
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Posted: 04 Mar 2022 at 1:35pm |
FREEDGUY wrote:
Freind of mine has a HORRIBLE issue with his drive this season and the frost hasn't even "gurgled" yet "HERE". he's getting quotes for asphalt, limestone, recycled concrete( I told him to BAIL on that due to steel tire spears) and recycled asphalt. What would be your choice of the above-mentioned products ?? Thanks |
Probly the cheapest way would be a layer of cinders after dug out and then top it with asphalt grindings. My grandson had cinders hauled in from a foundry and then covered it with crushed limestone. Semi cattle trucks are in on it year round without much attention. arounfd here all you have in both cinders and asphalt only costs the trucking. Crushed limesone is kinda saulty to buy.
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