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DMiller 
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 Posted: 20 Feb 2021 at 1:08pm |
Exemptions to the Federal Motor Carrier Safety Regulations (FMCSR) | FMCSA (dot.gov)
At a point in Time as NOT actually performing Interstate Commerce, Not carrying animals nor cargo for business purpose the machine becomes a Personal Conveyance of a Weight category requiring a Class A CDL with Air Brake endorsement.
Edited by DMiller - 20 Feb 2021 at 1:10pm
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Posted: 20 Feb 2021 at 1:31pm |
The point I was trying to make is: 1. a trailer can be over 10,000 lbs. without a CDL . 2. If your combination is over 26,000 lbs., you will need a Class A CDL if you are engaged in anything that involves compensation.
There has been a lot written in here about buying tandem axle trailers with dual wheels. A trailer with a high GVW will mostly require a Class A CDL.
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DaveKamp
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Posted: 20 Feb 2021 at 2:54pm |
If you are in Iowa, and you're driving a truck who's GVWR is greater than 10,000lbs, and your trailer has a capacity of greater than 10,000, it does not matter WHAT you are pulling, or even if you're unladen, you are subject to CLASS A requirement.
IF you drive ANY vehicle with service airbrakes (even if it's a 1970 Puch Moped), you need at LEAST a Class B with AIRBRAKE ENDORSEMENT.
The 'fine print' exceptions include: 'farmer' (generating over 20k/yr of income in 20+ acre farm either owned or rented), driving equipment owned, leased or otherwise registered TO that 'farm', and between field-farm-and-market of 150 air miles, and not hauling for others... the Class A is not required... BUT... if you have air-brakes, a Class A (trailer combination) or Class B (straight truck) CDL with airbrake endorsement IS REQUIRED.
IF your tow vehicle is NOT commercial... with UNDER 10K GVW, you can tow ANY TRAILER YOU LIKE, without need for a CDL, PROVIDED that you don't 1) exceed the gross or axle weight ratings of the trailer, the truck, or Gross COMBINED Weight Rating of the truck... and that 2) you do not exceed a combination of 26,000lbs.
You can legally tow a 46,000lb CAPACITY 52ft fifth-wheel semi trailer, with a 9980gvwr (3/4t) pickup truck... as long as the trailer brakes ARENT PNEUMATIC... and your total weight isn't over 26000. Seems silly? No, this is specifically to allow an individual to RELOCATE an EMPTY trailer with a light truck. Non-AIR brakes are a 'gotcha', though.
Iowa is entirely free to pull over ANY pickup truck, but the SIGNS say Over 10,000lbs. Technically, if you're driving a 1973 Buick Electra Estate Wagon, and towing a 23ft SeaRay cutty-cabin, the combined weight being around 10,250lbs, they CAN flag you in, and they can inspect.
IF a vehicle is owned or registered to a company OR HAS EMBLEMS SUGGESTING commerical business association, they CAN flag you in. Remember that, when you put a magnetic AC emblem on your orange Chevy with the 401 growling underhood.
Last time I drove my F250 across Minnesota, I got flagged in. No trailer, under 10k. Full inspection, logbook checked, etc... why? It's got a company emblem. No CDL required, but Hours Of Service regs applied. Behind me, they pulled in a Chevy Cruze, with a PEPSI emblem on the door. Bottling company field sales guy. Level 1 inspection, logbook please... South Dakota will do it, too.
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DMiller
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Posted: 20 Feb 2021 at 3:47pm |
Our KW, NO Commercial Labeling whatsoever. Will Have PERSONAL CONVEYANCE and NOT FOR HIRE signage Can also Have PRIVATE COACH instead of PERSONAL CONVEYANCE. That per FMCSA and MO DOT sets it as a PRIVATE CAR with a weight tag. And Yes I did NOT argue the Driver License, Class A still required, just NO Log Book/record, No Load sheets for Inspection, No requirement for anything but Registration and Insurance. PERSONAL CONVEYANCE.
No restriction as to using it as a Giant Sized Pickup Truck as NOT in use for Interstate Commerce. No extra permitting or special tagging or fuel permits required, IN WRITING.
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DMiller
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Posted: 20 Feb 2021 at 3:50pm |
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BTW, Check that New Dodge or GMC or FORD Full 1 ton GVWR when go to drive it off the lot. They HAVE Changed, there are quite a few with GVWR OVER 26001# depending upon options packages and is on the Data tag on the Door frame. Checked out a friends, his is 32,000GVWR. Already been explained to him by the License Office he now needs a Class B Minimum and a Class A to tow.
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Posted: 20 Feb 2021 at 4:41pm |
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So far - ALL FARM- use no problems anywhere yet - just have good equipment , chained down good and never answer the question with a question ! They hate that
Edited by DougG - 20 Feb 2021 at 4:44pm
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Posted: 20 Feb 2021 at 6:06pm |
 NEVER green wrote:
I dare say Red Bank that trailer and tires were pushed to the limit, of course Ive never been there.  |
actually the trailer has a 30k GVWR. The tires are singles that I think were 16 ply, I remember they had 125 psi stamped on them.
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Posted: 20 Feb 2021 at 9:56pm |
Yes GVWR and everything about CDL and weight matters but I was not asking about that, so leave that discuses for somewhere else.
I was wonder what goosenecks other [people had and what they liked or dislike, or what they would change if they bought another gooseneck.
Tilted deck or straight deck trailers that are low to the ground are good but I need the 102in deck so that is not an option. Ever the low profiles that are 102in that have the drive over fenders won't work either. Since you can not park on top of them with a 130hp tractor.
Thanks to everyone that has shared info about their own gooseneck trailers would love to here more, but leave out the CDL and weight discuses, it is important but not on this page. Thanks again
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Posted: 21 Feb 2021 at 9:37am |
Red Bank wrote:
NEVER green wrote:
I dare say Red Bank that trailer and tires were pushed to the limit, of course Ive never been there. |
actually the trailer has a 30k GVWR. The tires are singles that I think were 16 ply, I remember they had 125 psi stamped on them. |
!!!!!!! Aint never seen a trailer like that, my dually axels are only rated to 10,000 a piece. NICE!!
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Posted: 21 Feb 2021 at 9:52am |
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Here in the midwest, for the money, I find it hard to pass up either Kauffman out of Nebraska or E-W out of Whitesboro, OK. I had a 31' E-W, 26' flat, 5' dove and added the third spring assist ramp. I just got tired of picking up those heavy ramps to let them down, and the biggest factor, I kinda lost my nerve loading big tractors up that high because it's not always sunny, 80 degrees, and level lot to load on. I've cheated death too many times to push it anymore so that's why I went with the gooseneck tilt. I know Kauffman will deliver and rather cheap if you aren't in a hurry and they get a full load your direction. E-W, I'm not sure about other than if you pick it up in person, call and get directions first, your Garmin will take you on a scenic tour through some sharp curves and dump you out on a road that no longer exists. Owner there said, "Yep, happens every time."
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Posted: 21 Feb 2021 at 11:06am |
I just watched the YouTube video that DMiller posted on the previous page. There is a lot of good information in there.
I know we all have a budget, but I have also bought things that were less expensive and wished later that I had spent a little more and got what I wanted.
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Posted: 22 Feb 2021 at 7:16am |
Have had conversations with others on the subject where it all boils down to license requirements and a internalized need by some to buck the system. If you need to haul a 18-20,000# backhoe or a small 14-16,000# crawler or even to haul raw materials in bunks of lumber where really can overload quickly then why buy too light and too chancy a machine setup?
As noted in other conversations, have seen the people dragging a 13-16,000# Fifth Wheel or HUGE Holiday Rambler Bumper Pull with a Half Ton Pickup, a Escalade or Tahoe, have even seen Toyota Hilux Trucks dragging same. ALL taking a risk never intended for the machines and all looking to find disgust from insurers should they destroy someone else's lives while doing this.
Have had my 180 and assorted machinery on my gooseneck SW Tandem I should NOT have as the braking system was at max capacity where a single failure would have been catastrophic. I keep my machines well maintained, maybe not photo quality clean or picture perfect to appear new but mechanically as sound as can achieve. I know others that will not go that far. Have seen the 16,000# backhoe on a single wheel gooseneck, it is ONLY rated at 13,000 for tires capacity, 14,000 IF go to heavy enough rated tires and that includes weight of trailer.
So if cannot qualify for a Class A CDL as will not study up or will not take the tests or cannot pass the physical why are you skirting the law and doing just under requirements as that is just as unsafe to the rest of the public? It is NOT that hard to achieve a Class A if try, comes in handy if need Extra Work or cash or a neighbor needs a extra driver a few days and you have time. It is NOT hard to drive and operate within the law and be sensible of it. If arguing license expense, how much can you afford should a occurrence happen and beyond insurance you get sued for NOT having been licensed sufficiently or properly? Or receive tickets and fines for operating in excess of license requirements?
I have a Class A, including Tank Hazmat and Multiple Trailers, I have all the endorsements except School Bus which I will NOT EVER try to achieve. I have a larger truck going together where will purchase a replacement for my old Gooseneck then sell it, most likely a Step Deck with air brakes and slide out ramps so can perform multiple duties of it. Have a 16' low deck car hauler with 16" load range E tires on it where it will become the pickup truck drag or behind a neighbors truck as does not require a CDL to pull. Otherwise my Large Truck will be a RV hauler over sized Pickup truck personal conveyance used under my CDL.
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