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DougG 
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Posted: 15 Dec 2021 at 8:40am |
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So even tho Allis Chalmers owned Gleaner, how did Gleaner get to pick and choose on engine options? They used some Allis, some Chevy and early there was another I think-maybe Chrysler, was each AC brand ran like a private business internally? Heard Harvey sold each engine to West Allis tractor- Gleaner worked the same? Each watching their budgets?
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Posted: 15 Dec 2021 at 9:10am |
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When Allis-Chalmers owned Gleaner, Allis engines were used if possible. In the very early years they might have used something different, but remember the D-19/G-262 didn't come until 1960. When the GM industrial engines were used (not Chevrolet) Allis didn't make a gas engine anymore !! When Deutz owned the company we got Deutz.
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Posted: 15 Dec 2021 at 9:18am |
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Seen an early A that had something other than AC. Seems like it was a flathead....too many years ago.
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Posted: 15 Dec 2021 at 2:24pm |
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I heard that gleaner had a contract to use an outside source for x number of engines when ac bought them. That contract was thought to last till the mid 60s. After that contract was finished in the late 50s then the ac/buda engines went in until the gas version was not cost effective. Then gas was outsourced to gm till the end of gas combines.
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Posted: 15 Dec 2021 at 2:47pm |
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That's where Chevy or GM stepped in , I had a 292 Allis on an F, that thing would run that machine!
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Posted: 15 Dec 2021 at 4:16pm |
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I thought the early ones had a flat head Ford, Just what my memory tells me.
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Posted: 15 Dec 2021 at 8:20pm |
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FORD Hercules engines in the model "A" before Allis acquired the Gleaner Corp.
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Posted: 15 Dec 2021 at 8:21pm |
The model T used a Ford engine, old model A used a flat head 6 cylinder Hercules. MACK
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Posted: 15 Dec 2021 at 11:23pm |
Just for clarity- Ford and Hercules were not related... Hercules made industrial engines starting in 1915, and really took off with multicylinder industrials after about 1931. They were substantially better built than any automotive, and most any industrial Fords, in terms of material quality, engineering, durability, and serviceability. Hercules industrial engines were found in many makers' tractors and combines, including JD. They used a scaleable, modular design which gave them a myriad of engines. Their 230ci inline six was a favorite choice for all sorts of mobile industry/agl needs. They made tiny fours all the way up to huge monster inline sixes.
Ford auto and light truck engines were NOT the same as Ford Industrials... likewise, a GM Automotive type differed from GM industrial, so Chevrolet were not 'the same'. The GM industrial fours and sixes were very similar, but they had totally different build specs. The GM 292 inline in that Gleaner was similar to a pickup truck 292 in respect to the mechanic's tasks and parts processes were about identical, but the internals were not the same. GM industrials formed the basis for GM Marine engines, but they didn't have the explosion-proofing, marine corrosion resistance, and the cold-coolant (raw water) temperature design compensation.
Chrysler had a similar circumstance- industrials and automotives were unique types. The 225 Slant 6 in my Clark IT-60 is NOT interchangeable with a slant 6 in a Dodge pickup, or a Plymouth Volare... it has a forged crank with different flywheel and harmonic balancer, different rods, pistons, block, head, valves...
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Posted: 15 Dec 2021 at 11:24pm |
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Gleaner mgmt for years wanted Cummins powered Gleaners for 2 reasons - 1 price 2 more appeal to non AC enthusiasts. AC corporate would have nothing of it as the engine division was struggling for volume as it was. Gleaner division wanted to break out and go independent or at least many insiders who could read the tea leaves did...
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Posted: 16 Dec 2021 at 12:24pm |
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In hind-site, That wouldve been good for Gleaner as they were the best in the business
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Posted: 16 Dec 2021 at 1:21pm |
 tbran wrote:
Gleaner mgmt for years wanted Cummins powered Gleaners for 2 reasons - 1 price 2 more appeal to non AC enthusiasts. AC corporate would have nothing of it as the engine division was struggling for volume as it was. Gleaner division wanted to break out and go independent or at least many insiders who could read the tea leaves did... |
Never should have put a kraut can in a Gleaner.
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Posted: 16 Dec 2021 at 2:37pm |
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Only ones I know about are the E,E3,F and G. My dad had to 2 E's they had D17 engines and the E3 he had also had the D17 engine I don't think they had diesel engines for any E's. We got a new 68 F in 1969 and it had an Allis gas engine. Not sure I think it was a 262. The 68 G had an Allis gas engine, maybe a 301. We got another F in 73 and it had a 292 Chevy and then a 76 F with a 292. I think the gas G's may have had a 350 Chevy after they quit using the Allis gas engine. F and G both had diesel Allis engines available. That's what I remember, been a long time ago so don't know if I have it all straight.
Edited by redowns - 17 Dec 2021 at 4:42am
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Posted: 16 Dec 2021 at 11:26pm |
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Yes, the later G had a GM 350 V8. The diesel option was the 2900 engine.
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Posted: 17 Dec 2021 at 6:25pm |
MACK wrote:
The model T used a Ford engine, old model A used a flat head 6 cylinder Hercules. MACK
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Thanks for that info Mac, I was pretty sure that dad's A had a Herc in it but Doc had me second guessing my memory  . No harm,no foul  !! Yet, the middle of the steering wheel decal was a "diamond" Allis Chalmers logo 
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Posted: 17 Dec 2021 at 8:10pm |
My 1951 Gleaner brochure shows the Model Self Propelled 14 Foot Walker Type ...... yes the brochure never mentions A or R or B...... it used the Ford Industrial 226 gasoline engine. In this brochure it has testimonies of user farmers and one mentioned the he bought 3 new Self Propelled Gleaners for the 1950 season so I deduced it was a 1951 brochure.
Also my 1936 brochure "Model 1936 Gleaner" pull-type used a Ford Model A Industrial gasoline engine.
Going down the list.....
The 1960 models A, R and AH all used the gasoline 230 Allis Chalmers engine and all were also available in LP or Diesel in 230 displacement.
The 1960 model C used the 262 Allis Chalmers gasoline and it list also available in LP or Diesel but says nothing about being turboed or even if ithe diesel or LP was the 262 which I am sure it was the 262. I assume the diesel is the 262 turbo model because the later CII was available with the 262 turbo.
The 1966 AII used the 230 Alis Chalmers in Gasoline, LP or Diesel.
The 1966 CII used the Gasoline or LP 262 AC or the Turbo Diesel 262 AC engines.
The 1972 L used either the 144 HP 350 V8 GM Ind. or the 130 HP 301 Turbo Diesel.
The 1974 L used either the 158 HP 350 GM V8 or the 130 HP 301 Turbo or the 158 HP 426 Turbo.
The 1974 M used either the 144 HP 350 (yes that is right) or the 120 HP 301 Turbo or 130 HP 301 Turbo.
The 1967 F used either the 301 Diesel at 84 HP or the 262 AC gasoline at 93 HP or the 262 AC LP at 85 HP.
The 1974 F used either the 292 GM at 101 HP or the 301 AC Diesel at 84 HP.
The 1974 K used the 250 GM at 78 HP.
By 1978 the F2 and K2 used the Turbo 200 CID AC diesels at different horse powers which I didn't write down and the same GM gasoline Industrials they each used earlier.
I must be bored to look at all those brochures
Edited by Lonn - 17 Dec 2021 at 8:20pm
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