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    Posted: 05 Mar 2017 at 9:51pm
Already sounds crazy, doesn't it?? But when I'm sitting here at college, bored to death, I often get to dreaming up some off-the-wall inventions/farmer mods. Lol

I've never torn apart a WD/WD45 wet clutch or a CA dry clutch, but I'm thinking I might could take the power lift off my WC and put one of these two styles of clutches inline with the transmission drive shaft. I know there was a WC at Hutch with a rare aftermarket dry clutch, and it had a handle similar to the WD's in a way, but those are really hard to find, plus I'm cheap. 

Does anyone have a pic of a CA and WD/WD45 hand clutch out of the tractor? I never torn apart the clutch on my CA before I sold it, but I'd like to know what it looks like/how it operates. I'm thinking with a little ingenuity I can make one of the 2 clutches work. I'm thinking the CA clutch might not be the best bet, since it's a smaller tractor, and may not handle the extra power and torque from a bigger tractor, when under load. 
I know the housing on both tractors is totally un-compatible with a WC, but with a little elbow grease and farmer know-how, you can accomplish anything. 
I'm thinking the best bet might be find a old junker WD or WD45 and rob the hand clutch, input and output shaft, etc. and fabricate my own case to house all the parts. I think it could be done. I'm just looking for discussion, opinions, and advice. 
This isn't a "gotta have it" thing, just kind of a fun project to keep me busy when I have some free time, maybe this summer after harvest. 
Thanks!

PS- I know what you're thinking....just get a WD or WD45 and be done! Well....I like the look of the unstyled WC better. Yeah, that's a silly reason, but I've already got the tractor, and it's paid for! Big smile

Edit: I just had a "duh!" moment....I looked on Tom Foss' Allis01 website, and he has some pretty good photos of his WD45D hand clutch rebuild. Thanks Tom!


Edited by CrestonM - 05 Mar 2017 at 9:58pm
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You might as well go all out, and go with a power director in the WC.

That will make you think awhile.
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K.I.S.S. trade it on a WD
If it was fun to pull in LOW gear, I could have a John Deere.
Real pullers don't have speed limits.
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Originally posted by Nathan (SD) Nathan (SD) wrote:


You might as well go all out, and go with a power director in the WC.

That will make you think awhile.
That would be pretty cool, too! 
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Start lookin and find the hand clutch built for the WC that a lot of them added when they bought a roto baler.I don't know who made them, but they are still around some.
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Originally posted by CTuckerNWIL CTuckerNWIL wrote:

Start lookin and find the hand clutch built for the WC that a lot of them added when they bought a roto baler.I don't know who made them, but they are still around some.
Really? I've only seen 1, the one at Hutch (the dry clutch). Seems someone told me TSC made that one, or one like it. 
 I think someone also told me once there was a wet hand clutch attachment, but I've never seen a photo of one. 
Neither are likely to be found down here. There just isn't an old Allis presence down here like there is higher up in the Midwest. 


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Originally posted by Nathan (SD) Nathan (SD) wrote:


You might as well go all out, and go with a power director in the WC.

That will make you think awhile.
Check out the post by 45 turboa- on this thread. 
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Listen closely to what Charlie Says.  There was a dry clutch made for the WC especially to fit where the power lift goes.  Worked well.  Saw the literature but did not sell any in our area.  
Let us know if you find them.
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Have a couple, one off and another on a chases in the boneyard
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Originally posted by Bill Deppe/AC Salvag Bill Deppe/AC Salvag wrote:

Have a couple, one off and another on a chases in the boneyard
Are they in decent shape? I'd be interested in one if they're not too rough. 
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There is a WC dry clutch brochure on Brian Ahart's website. Made in George Iowa. I have one and have seen several others. My uncle installed one back in the day.
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A clutch between the transmission and rear end (like on the WC) has to handle a lot more torque than if it was on the transmission input shaft. The wet version would slip whereas the dry version has a lot higher torque rating.
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The unit off the tractor $300.00 Appears to be in good condition
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This is a wet clutch (runs in oil) made by Sherman to give WCs live power.  It is coupled to an underdrive in one housing/unit.  It operates more like a CA hand clutch than a WD.
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unstyled radiator fuel tank and  sheetmetal on a 45.  remove fenders.  done.....

Edited by CAL(KS) - 07 Mar 2017 at 9:50am
Me -C,U,UC,WC,WD45,190XT,TL-12,145T,HD6G,HD16,HD20

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