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   AC made the first compact with the 620.  

Who is this for?  I mean it doesn't fool anyone does it?  A farmer isn't going to go, oh wow now I should buy a Massey cause they've sold more than anyone.  Oh yeah, and why was Massey going to be bankrupt unless they were rescued by AGCO?  Taking credit for the 1150 is like saying hey buy from us we built the Pinto!  Just forget about the fact that they blew up and killed everyone inside every time someone bumped them in the rear end.

It'd be neat to see the innovations AC had in concert with the one Massey is taking credit for.  

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Byron WC in SW Wi Members Profile Send Private Message Find Members Posts Add to Buddy List Orange Level Joined: 11 Sep 2009 Location: Wisconsin Points: 1635	Post Options Post Reply Quote Byron WC in SW Wi Report Post Thanks(0) Quote Reply Posted: 18 Jan 2010 at 5:41am
	AC made the first compact with the 620. Who is this for? I mean it doesn't fool anyone does it? A farmer isn't going to go, oh wow now I should buy a Massey cause they've sold more than anyone. Oh yeah, and why was Massey going to be bankrupt unless they were rescued by AGCO? Taking credit for the 1150 is like saying hey buy from us we built the Pinto! Just forget about the fact that they blew up and killed everyone inside every time someone bumped them in the rear end. It'd be neat to see the innovations AC had in concert with the one Massey is taking credit for.

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ac_bowsers Members Profile Send Private Message Find Members Posts Add to Buddy List Orange Level Joined: 12 Sep 2009 Location: Northern IL Points: 251	Post Options Post Reply Quote ac_bowsers Report Post Thanks(0) Quote Reply Posted: 18 Jan 2010 at 8:34am
	hey Brian I couldn't agree more with your thought on the similar take over from 86. Where the hell do some of these guys get off saying that the 7000 series are junk?...Give me a break there are more of them still running in my area than any junk MF of that era. Plus we used to have old MF dealers around us all gone...at least the old A-C dealers still survived and became AGCO, the ones that don't have any MF on there lots and re-fuse to get them I wonder what will happen, I'm thinking next brand to have to be a NH or Buhler. When AGCO eliminated Deutz, and had purshased White those tractors they were building went back to the old A-C and Whites, and ever since then up until recent those tractors had no MF innovations to be found in them Period. Why did the AGCO tractors introduce the new technology first,not MF, its like the com-pany is taking a complete 180. THE old MF couldn't design the MF combine of today, at least Gleaner was able to do so with all their models up to the R75....again a sad sad day, I may have to be escorted away from the AGCO booth at Lousiville after I give them a piece of my mind!!1

Spud Members Profile Send Private Message Find Members Posts Add to Buddy List Orange Level Joined: 16 Sep 2009 Location: North Dakota Points: 601	Post Options Post Reply Quote Spud Report Post Thanks(0) Quote Reply Posted: 18 Jan 2010 at 8:43am
	Dave in il. The Agco is a massey tractor from the 8700/9700 series up until the recent DT series. They used to put a different engine in the different brands but not anymore. With the DT series, it has more Fendt and Valmet in it then Massey. The smaller tractors are still Massey based.

KGood Members Profile Send Private Message Find Members Posts Add to Buddy List Orange Level Joined: 17 Nov 2009 Location: Logansport,IN Points: 955	Post Options Post Reply Quote KGood Report Post Thanks(0) Quote Reply Posted: 18 Jan 2010 at 8:44am
	He sounds as retarted as the guy who said the 7000 series was a joke

Spud Members Profile Send Private Message Find Members Posts Add to Buddy List Orange Level Joined: 16 Sep 2009 Location: North Dakota Points: 601	Post Options Post Reply Quote Spud Report Post Thanks(0) Quote Reply Posted: 18 Jan 2010 at 8:59am
	KGood. I never said anything against the AC. I stated facts. If you don't believe me then go ask any mechanic. If you have to resort to name calling then you are a juvenile type of person. As I said, ask a mechanic at your local dealer, he is the expert.

Spud Members Profile Send Private Message Find Members Posts Add to Buddy List Orange Level Joined: 16 Sep 2009 Location: North Dakota Points: 601	Post Options Post Reply Quote Spud Report Post Thanks(0) Quote Reply Posted: 18 Jan 2010 at 9:33am
	There was one Massey that was Agco based. That was a Massey 9000 series (not sure of exact number) that was actually a White 6215. It was build for sale in Europe. If you go to www.farmphoto.com and click on the Massey 9000 series, it will bring up photos.

ac_bowsers Members Profile Send Private Message Find Members Posts Add to Buddy List Orange Level Joined: 12 Sep 2009 Location: Northern IL Points: 251	Post Options Post Reply Quote ac_bowsers Report Post Thanks(0) Quote Reply Posted: 18 Jan 2010 at 9:39am
	Hey Byron, I can't agree more!!...Praising that piece of crap 1150 is a joke!! remember MF's attempt at a true 4WD tractor they had one model called the 4840, I'll bet any amount of money a real 4840(JD) could run circles around that pile of crap!! A-C 620 as first compact...don't forget the 5000 series too!!!

Adam Members Profile Send Private Message Find Members Posts Add to Buddy List Bronze Level Joined: 17 Sep 2009 Location: Markesan, WI Points: 12	Post Options Post Reply Quote Adam Report Post Thanks(0) Quote Reply Posted: 18 Jan 2010 at 9:49am
	sorry buddy but maybe you should brush up on your history since you don't know why massey survived and not allis. Allis Chalmers was such a huge company and so far spread out that during the credit crunch of the late 70's and 80's, they started to spend more than they were making. That is why they started to sell off divisions. All the agriculture companies were in trouble at that time, but allis was so far spread out that it hit all their accounts...not just the agriculture line! So if you wanna bash allis and praise massey go right ahead...but do it on a massey site if your that loyal! We have no time for you!

LionelinKY Members Profile Send Private Message Find Members Posts Add to Buddy List Orange Level Joined: 12 Sep 2009 Location: Radcliff,KY Points: 695	Post Options Post Reply Quote LionelinKY Report Post Thanks(0) Quote Reply Posted: 18 Jan 2010 at 3:50pm
	Obviously a former MF employee whose job was saved by AGCO. You have to admit there is a lot of history there though and MF wouldn't have that history if people never bought their machines. They must have a following similar to that of our orange ladies to have lasted so long even if it took the whole world to make the same following that AC had just in the states. I have no need or money to buy anything AGCO makes nowadays. If I did, I know just how I would handle this situation though. If the machines are identical except for paint as I suspect and have read numerous times, I would pay someone to repaint a new one orange even before its maiden voyage to the fields much like those before who bought the last 8000 series and immediately peeled off the DA decals. Those with the expertise could even paint their own. What could AGCO do? I doubt anything. Yes, it would be nice to get it exactly the way you want it especially for the price of them nowadays. However, I don't see this as being much different than what some people pay for new trucks only to drop them off at the paint booth before driving it home. You buy it and make it the way you want it if you have to. I hope those that can will do something along this line. To me, it is nice to see new orange non-Kubota tractors across the land even if they no longer say AC on them. We all know where the orange originated. Well, I've said more than my piece for the day and subject. Thanks for letting me vent.

JohnCO Members Profile Send Private Message Find Members Posts Add to Buddy List Orange Level Joined: 11 Sep 2009 Location: Niwot Colo Points: 8992	Post Options Post Reply Quote JohnCO Report Post Thanks(0) Quote Reply Posted: 19 Jan 2010 at 10:49pm
	Over the years Massey had more ups and downs then AC. Remember at one time they owned Perkins engines. I was surprised that Cat ended up with Perkins. What kept MF going was getting into more of the world market when things were good. Sometimes I wonder if the suits at these companies put a bunch of names on a dart board, throw the dart and buy whatever they hit.
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Bill_MN Members Profile Send Private Message Find Members Posts Add to Buddy List Orange Level Joined: 12 Sep 2009 Location: Sioux Falls, SD Points: 1463	Post Options Post Reply Quote Bill_MN Report Post Thanks(0) Quote Reply Posted: 19 Jan 2010 at 11:14pm
	Typical corporate puppet obviously doesn't know jack about massey, or AGCO for that matter, he read that display board nearly verbatim as any idiot could do, except he was a worse narrator than the average idiot. This is just a prime example of the disconnect between AGCO management and its own product lines, let alone its customers...it's no wonder their marketing strategies make as much sense as a screen door on a submarine. I did get a kick out of his saying 'and AGCO became part of Massey'. you almost had to wonder if this whole conspiracy actually started in 1997..... Edited by Bill_MN - 19 Jan 2010 at 11:17pm
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	Bill_MN, I honestly think the massey fans believe they own Agco. They sure have the intention of taking it over, anyway. Agco-the Pheonix that rose from the ashes of Allis Chalmers and Deutz-Allis, is what owns MF. I am never going to let them forget that.
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