HD 5/6 QUIZ

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    Ok guys, Thought we should post up some pictures of the HD5 before it goes under the restoration wrenches. So the quiz is what are all the differences between the HD5 and 6??. Please feel free to post at will,early and often.

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AC Mel Members Profile Send Private Message Find Members Posts Add to Buddy List Orange Level Access Joined: 23 Jan 2010 Location: N.Ca. Points: 1099	Post Options Post Reply Quote AC Mel Report Post Thanks(0) Quote Reply Topic: HD 5/6 QUIZ Posted: 18 Jan 2013 at 8:04pm
	Ok guys, Thought we should post up some pictures of the HD5 before it goes under the restoration wrenches. So the quiz is what are all the differences between the HD5 and 6??. Please feel free to post at will,early and often.

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HD6 Merv Members Profile Send Private Message Find Members Posts Add to Buddy List Silver Level Access Joined: 03 Aug 2010 Location: New Zealand Points: 476	Post Options Post Reply Quote HD6 Merv Report Post Thanks(0) Quote Reply Posted: 18 Jan 2013 at 11:36pm
	obvious differences in your photos and machines in general HD5 has detroit 2-71 and carco model E winch. HD6 is a early one with Buda design HD344 engine and carco E24 winch. Winchs ccould be swapped early to late vice versa etc E24 was replacement for E and then later E30 winch replaced E24. HD6 has heavier and longer front chassis rails than a HD5 to accomodate the motor. Back ends are the same up until HD6 13390 when the steering clutch plates were changed to bronze from raybestos; and final drive shaft splines changed too. HD344 was replaced with the 6000 motor at 13322 also hydraulic pump, tank and valve were combined here and a oil master clutch became a option a bit later. Then wet backend E and EP models after 14484.
	tits tyres and tracks they all cost you money

Dozer Members Profile Send Private Message Find Members Posts Add to Buddy List Orange Level Joined: 16 Aug 2011 Location: SW New York Points: 689	Post Options Post Reply Quote Dozer Report Post Thanks(0) Quote Reply Posted: 19 Jan 2013 at 10:03am
	The radiator and radiator guard are different. The HD6 has a front bumper. Minor but different.

Mactractor Members Profile Send Private Message Find Members Posts Add to Buddy List Orange Level Access Joined: 20 Jun 2011 Location: New Zealand Points: 652	Post Options Post Reply Quote Mactractor Report Post Thanks(0) Quote Reply Posted: 19 Jan 2013 at 2:38pm
	The heavier frame rails on the 6`s are drilled and tapped for their tilting nose cones which the 5`s dont have. Blade lift cylinder mounts only came on the heavy 6 nose. Firewall/cowling is different as are the hoods to suit the different nose cone options

darrel in ND Members Profile Send Private Message Find Members Posts Add to Buddy List Orange Level Joined: 22 Nov 2009 Location: Hebron, ND Points: 8586	Post Options Post Reply Quote darrel in ND Report Post Thanks(0) Quote Reply Posted: 19 Jan 2013 at 3:30pm
	Well, I can't come up with anything that hasn't been brought up already, but I will say that that is one beautiful six, and I hope that the five turns out equally as nice. Darrel

orangeman Members Profile Send Private Message Find Members Posts Add to Buddy List Orange Level Joined: 12 Sep 2009 Points: 1682	Post Options Post Reply Quote orangeman Report Post Thanks(0) Quote Reply Posted: 19 Jan 2013 at 3:54pm
	Wonder how much a new HD6 would cost today if they were still being built? The 6 was a very nice machine, credit to Van Dobeus AC Chief of Construction Engineering 1944.

Ages Cat Members Profile Send Private Message Find Members Posts Add to Buddy List Orange Level Joined: 12 Sep 2009 Location: Hutchinson, MN Points: 681	Post Options Post Reply Quote Ages Cat Report Post Thanks(0) Quote Reply Posted: 19 Jan 2013 at 9:47pm
	12 volt starting on the HD-5 versus 24 on the HD6? My HD5 is 12, my 6's are 24 volt.

orangeman Members Profile Send Private Message Find Members Posts Add to Buddy List Orange Level Joined: 12 Sep 2009 Points: 1682	Post Options Post Reply Quote orangeman Report Post Thanks(0) Quote Reply Posted: 20 Jan 2013 at 7:22am
	HD6 has a guard underneath the radiator, the five does not. Radiators are different between the 5 and 6. The 5 has an hour meter located on the outside of the battery box. The 6 has 6 bottom rolls and the 5 has either 5 or 4. Outside pushbeam on the 5 is terminated back by final on the 6 it is terminated further forward. The gauge cluster on the dash is different between the 5 and 6.

AusHD6 Members Profile Send Private Message Find Members Posts Add to Buddy List Bronze Level Joined: 22 Feb 2012 Location: Wooragee, Vic Points: 23	Post Options Post Reply Quote AusHD6 Report Post Thanks(0) Quote Reply Posted: 24 Jan 2013 at 5:37pm
	Hey AC Mel Thats a real nice HD6, I had one the same S/N11855 with 4 roller track frames and an Aussie made McKee winch. HD5's with 4 roller track frames run 33 link chains whereas 4 roller HD6's run 34 link chains. HD6 dozers with 5 roller frames run 37 links. All the same pitch chains. Ex factory all HD5's dozers (apart from some of the very last HD5G traxcavators) run 5F1R gearboxes whereas HD6's dozers have a pretty even mix of 5F1R and 4F2R. 4th forward is dropped out of the 5F box in favour of an extra faster reverse. Very early HD5's had completely different longer pitch chains and sprockets but I doubt many would still be around in original form. That HD6 must be a real early one because the dozer blade hyd' cylinder cradles (double oscillating bracket that mounts the cyl' to the nose mounts) is shorter than later models and cannot be reversed. Later models could be reversed so that the hyd' cyl' could be moved back and forward to accomodate 4 or 5 roller track frames. Good luck with the resto' job on your 5

AC Mel Members Profile Send Private Message Find Members Posts Add to Buddy List Orange Level Access Joined: 23 Jan 2010 Location: N.Ca. Points: 1099	Post Options Post Reply Quote AC Mel Report Post Thanks(0) Quote Reply Posted: 25 Jan 2013 at 11:38am
	Great job guys, everyone who has taken the quiz certainly has A+. It looks like we can make copies and keep with service/parts manual for reference. This is better than some of the AC service bulletins that we have. So this picture is of the cutout in the HD5 fenders, they line up with 3 holes on each side, They are on fenders of both models,5, 5Gs, can't find anything in the parts or service manual as to there purpose, this is for extra quiz points. Anyone know? Coke you out there?

AusHD6 Members Profile Send Private Message Find Members Posts Add to Buddy List Bronze Level Joined: 22 Feb 2012 Location: Wooragee, Vic Points: 23	Post Options Post Reply Quote AusHD6 Report Post Thanks(0) Quote Reply Posted: 25 Jan 2013 at 5:02pm
	G'day AC Mel Those holes are to run fuel or oil hoses through if you want to fit or have factory fitted heavy duty AC oil and fuel filters. My Dad's HD6E S/N12885 had both filters on it originally now just the engine oil filter. The big heavy duty filters were mounted on fender extenders and AC even made a bolt on guard to protect the hoses where they passed under the fender and into the filter. I will try to attach pictures -- haven't done it before, might need some guidance. Real early HD6's had fenders like on the 5's even with the cut out on the folded down edges. Cheers

Coke-in-MN Members Profile Send Private Message Find Members Posts Add to Buddy List Orange Level Access Joined: 12 Sep 2009 Location: Afton MN Points: 41211	Post Options Post Reply Quote Coke-in-MN Report Post Thanks(0) Quote Reply Posted: 25 Jan 2013 at 11:21pm
	On the HD5B the mount of the dozer blade could be to the rear axle housing or to the truck frame - depending on the after market blade mfg. The 5 G had the longer truck frame and the 5 rollers but on some 6 machines they used another roller and 2 more track links. The sprung track frame on dozers was different as the 5G used a solid bar across truck frames and to attach to machine .
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SHAMELESS Members Profile Send Private Message Find Members Posts Add to Buddy List Orange Level Joined: 13 Sep 2009 Location: EAST NE Points: 29486	Post Options Post Reply Quote SHAMELESS Report Post Thanks(0) Quote Reply Posted: 25 Jan 2013 at 11:51pm
	my HD5 track loader had a 371 in it!

Lee Bradley Members Profile Send Private Message Find Members Posts Add to Buddy List Bronze Level Joined: 13 Oct 2009 Location: Kingston, WA Points: 115	Post Options Post Reply Quote Lee Bradley Report Post Thanks(0) Quote Reply Posted: 26 Jan 2013 at 12:59am
	Our HD-5 came with a fitting to lube the rollers. Our HD-6 had sealed rollers.